ZCLeague

Well buddies, pr1me is trying to win this season, 3 days ago he modified my report and edit his lose, giving a dodge to his own partner(iwin), he said literally "is a dodge zerg and toss still have main and trippy stopped rcing". Iwin had about 300 money, no base, no main (ill upload rep later, not at home).

I said literally, pr1me i respect ur opinion, but i need a impartial jugde, obviously u cant judge, there are interests involved. He said: "idc what does andy (jugde) say, ill remove ur report".

Yesterday happened something funny... We played pzp iwin again left after get raped by me and marco (no base, no main, no mins again). I said "dodge", i explained my point in channel, i just repeated his words "pz had main and base, its clearly a dodge" and i got banned. I didnt insult him, i didnt spam i said 1 phrase and i got banned.

Come on dudes... he cannot be the judge, jury, and executioner...

Being serius, i appreciate what pr1me is doing lately for zcl (i really like the idea of  the new score system). But i think he cant modify/judge/remove games that he played. Y i cant ask to other judgers? Zcl is becoming a dictatorship?

Im wrong Monarch Pr1me? Or you are going to ban me from forums too??

Greetings

I agree that ZCL needs more judges, but that's Mystery's decision. Killer, Arie, and myself have nothing to do with ZCL except playing in ZCL and posting on forums. Everything is run by Pr1me and Mystery, so Myst will have to deal with that. I duno about any of the other stuff, so I'll just wait for him to respond.

hes too busy makin won ton noodles

Quote from: law[bf] on December 30, 2011, 05:14:39 AM
Well buddies, pr1me is trying to win this season, 3 days ago he modified my report and edit his lose, giving a dodge to his own partner(iwin), he said literally "is a dodge zerg and toss still have main and trippy stopped rcing". Iwin had about 300 money, no base, no main (ill upload rep later, not at home).

i could be wrong but i dont think hes the only player trying to win this season

I said literally, pr1me i respect ur opinion, but i need a impartial jugde, obviously u cant judge, there are interests involved. He said: "idc what does andy (jugde) say, ill remove ur report".

andy recently wrote a thesis of some short on the US constitution. with his birds eye insight, he may be able to assist.

Yesterday happened something funny... We played pzp iwin again left after get raped by me and marco (no base, no main, no mins again). I said "dodge", i explained my point in channel, i just repeated his words "pz had main and base, its clearly a dodge" and i got banned. I didnt insult him, i didnt spam i said 1 phrase and i got banned.

I dont feel the humor in this.

Come on dudes... he cannot be the judge, jury, and executioner...

why not?  pls explain.

Being serius, i appreciate what pr1me is doing lately for zcl (i really like the idea of  the new score system). But i think he cant modify/judge/remove games that he played. Y i cant ask to other judgers? Zcl is becoming a dictatorship?

does this mean you werent being serious in your aforementioned statements?

Im wrong Monarch Pr1me? Or you are going to ban me from forums too??

Greetings

I wish you all the best in your quest for reinstatement.

PS:  What do you mean by "the new shins".  im totally lost.

Quote from: Notorious on December 30, 2011, 07:38:31 AM
hes too busy makin won ton noodles

like as in maruchan ramen?

LOL DIFF KIND OF RAMEN

Quote from: Tr0uble on December 30, 2011, 07:35:24 AM
I agree that ZCL needs more judges, but that's Mystery's decision. Killer, Arie, and myself have nothing to do with ZCL except playing in ZCL and posting on forums. Everything is run by Pr1me and Mystery, so Myst will have to deal with that. I duno about any of the other stuff, so I'll just wait for him to respond.

Yea i think pr1me should stick to scoring (DOING AN AMAZING JOB)

and need FEW JUDGES ..... (that their name isnt Janwyn)

Also, why the fuck you want to ban me from Channel? Because i wanted to T?
If you want to ban me do so from zcleague ! Zctour doesnt deal with this league.
THE ONLY REASON I took a dodge last night was because YOU WANT TO WIN THE SEASON BADLY i just took dodge so you dont get a loss and ban me...

If i want to T let me fucking T You HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO ;)

All i have to say.

I've said many times that prime abuses his power as an admin. Even if we were to do a vote for a new admin, prime's got a lot of his old school buddies to support him. This league is pretty much set up so that players who know prime well will get the benefit of having a few disputes here and there in their favour.

This abuse happened even to Brat who continues to try and preach this dumbass, where she got a DQ for no reason while tr0uble BS'd and took her main with his tanks. Apparently Brat unvisioned tr0uble for a brief moment before MM, but let me get this straight:

So in prime's book, having his friend such as Killer[SF] backstab me time and time again is not considered a DQ, but an unvision from Brat towards tr0uble for a brief moment constitutes an automatic DQ.

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

AMEN!

Also, this is to MYSTERY TO... WHERE THE HELL IN THE RULES SAYS If a person sabotages can get an auto DODGE????

because i said it and i was kidding and pr1me goes like thats a dodge? Like really wtf?
because it is, then let me go back and fix my games saying someone SABO ME that should be a dodge?

Mystery "CHAN" where are you! we need your opinion? unitl next espisode of "Guiding Light" stay tuned!

Took you long enough to figure that prime wants to win a season badly...

IMO, admins cannot judge a game they played. Plain and simple.

Thats why we have Andy and Jonathan here....

law if you wanted a game judged, why didnt u post in game dispute or pm frozen or me?

if you think someone deliberately sabotaged, get it judged.

and my name isnt chan idiot

If we post on game dispute the ONLY ONE that looks over its pr1me..... and you are not active .... and andy says he doesnt have access

Kyo is right btw.

In my opinion you should let Demurity have his access again as judge, Quin, and Law[BF] why not Judge...

Another thing... pr1me was saying ghostprince has the chance to win due to his record
and then pr1me goes like "I wont let that happen" even Tanka said "Power abuse"
Does that mean he changes records? or something like that

i dont know but w.e. ill still play for the hell of it, like ph says

LMAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO @ THIS THREAD
hey myst can i be judge? i can do it bro trust me

lolol i look over everything posted in this forums and frozen does have access

He said "do it and ill ban u and remove ur win anyway" so... i didnt. Anyway.to be honest idc about my games or reports im just trying to "help" our zcleague ( i know that imnt winning this season -like always- but i know there some good players that have a good chance to win, make it fair pls)

I totally agree with Kyo, but i rarely i c andy (demure) and liquid is kinda inactive. I suggest new judgers like Kyo, Lisa, Trippy, trouble w.e (3 active players could be great).

And again... pls nothing agaisnt Pr1me, ill rank his admin skills 10 from 10 golden stars.

Im done with discussion.

Greetings

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+1 on Trippy as a judge if he is willing. Hes one of the best/smartest players, is fairly active, and unbiased since hes not really interested in winning zcl (he plays for fun).

Quote from: law[bf] on December 30, 2011, 11:05:39 AM
He said "do it and ill ban u and remove ur win anyway" so... i didnt. Anyway.to be honest idc about my games or reports im just trying to "help" our zcleague ( i know that imnt winning this season -like always- but i know there some good players that have a good chance to win, make it fair pls)

I totally agree with Kyo, but i rarely i c andy (demure) and liquid is kinda inactive. I suggest new judgers like Kyo, Lisa, Trippy, trouble w.e (3 active players could be great).

And again... pls nothing agaisnt Pr1me, ill rank his admin skills 10 from 10 golden stars.

Im done with discussion.

Greetings

No thanks, but yes for Joshy Poo and Lisabelle. 

imo maxine shud be a judge wipeeeee

yeah i agree on maxine

prime is a really good admin and judge imo

lisa was once an admin but failed and trippy doesnt even go on the forums

how about brat for admin?

no trippy lol hes so biast. give quinn admin. he runs bot and he has experience of judging games. he should be good imo non biast and fair . btw prime is a good admin

Quote from: Admin on December 30, 2011, 10:48:38 AM
law if you wanted a game judged, why didnt u post in game dispute or pm frozen or me?

if you think someone deliberately sabotaged, get it judged.

and my name isnt chan idiot

yo so sabo is dodge? two days ago, andy and trippy told me on ts that they were gonna lose anwyays and i put  up rep to prove it. i mean seroiusly, if u fuckingmake all zerglings and say that u didtn sabo and if ur base looks like trippys, idk what is sabo then. if thats the case i'l do that every game and see if ppl think its sabo or not. if u say someone deliberately saboed, i have rep and they told me on ts. does that count as dodge for andy and josh?

how abt law as a judge/admin or w/e the eff its called?  he is a model citizen in the community and has the perfect name for it.

Ahh I guess I should reply to this.

Brat: there's a difference between admin abuse and channel abuse, and banning u from channels is bot abuse, I would rather win games than risk you having as my T as the game before u lost ur main to 5 goons. Who would let you T after that. Also, by not letting ghostprince win, that means by getting a better record, get more wins, how close minded can u be? Like I said in the previous thread, if anyone wants to see the scoring excel sheet whoever believes I can changing scores can see it.

Kyo: almost everyone wants to try a win a season esspecially you so I don't get what your problem is? Coming from a person who said, ill try a new race this season yet 75% of ur games you still play T according to the game report list and you've tried countless times trying to give me a loss and how many times have I successfully beaten you that you had stopped playin and obs for almost a week.

There is no bsing rule but if someone you know is gonna bs you or sabo, why do you guys bother playing with them? Playing together as a team leaves u all liable but if it doesn't change the outcome then it doesn't even matter if they bs you or not but if they sabo u go afk middle of the game or bs ur out of nowhere, then what do you think should be the outcome? Full loss on bottom or dodge on the player who bs/sabo?

These things are so simple to integrate yet you people always try to find a way to go around it so yourr voice could be heard, its been consistent ever since after season 6 when I came back and I don't understand what you guys want, it always changes with you players esspecially the new school players. Of course I'm going to respect the older players decisions because they have 2000 games of experience more compared to the new school players. Would you believe a friend you knew for 5 days over a friend you grew up with?

And lastly to law, refer to season 4-5(forgot which one) when he was on his vouching for his rights and democracy, and fighting for his people. Somethings never change.

Quote from: johnNYCage on December 30, 2011, 12:10:28 PM
how abt law as a judge/admin or w/e the eff its called?  he is a model citizen in the community and has the perfect name for it.

rofl u gotta be kidding me.. i think we should have three more judges so that the judges cant judge own game. quinn megix and tanka would  be good imo. ppl might disagree on tanka but hes actually very smart and he knows when to be biast or not. he will judge the game according to what he sees in rep regardless of players

tanka is like kenpachi from bleach.

this topic is turning into a cool story, hold up let me keep reading

All we need is to implement a rule to not let admins judge their own games and have a couple of players to step-up to help judging games.

No dramas intended in this thread.

this is what i will suggest to all of you, i will suggest to myst to pick 5 players as a ring of judges, not one judge can make a  decision on a rep and need at least 3 votes to agree on a conclusion of the rep.  i will ask to create a board strictly to the ring of judges that only me myst and andy can access as well as the judges. the names will come be announced once they have been chosen and agreed upon.

quinn tanka megix andy prime mystery . six since mystery barely plays

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
I've said many times that prime abuses his power as an admin. Even if we were to do a vote for a new admin, prime's got a lot of his old school buddies to support him. This league is pretty much set up so that players who know prime well will get the benefit of having a few disputes here and there in their favour.

This abuse happened even to Brat who continues to try and preach this dumbass, where she got a DQ for no reason while tr0uble BS'd and took her main with his tanks. Apparently Brat unvisioned tr0uble for a brief moment before MM, but let me get this straight:

So in prime's book, having his friend such as Killer[SF] backstab me time and time again is not considered a DQ, but an unvision from Brat towards tr0uble for a brief moment constitutes an automatic DQ.

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

That game was CLEARLY already over when I bs'd. And I'm pretty sure that game was reported as team loss, which it should have been. Also, Brat was CLEARLY sabotaging b/c she was mad at me for w/e reason and sitting afk at her computer not helping. Cute try tho

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 30, 2011, 12:11:13 PM
Ahh I guess I should reply to this.

Brat: there's a difference between admin abuse and channel abuse, and banning u from channels is bot abuse, I would rather win games than risk you having as my T as the game before u lost ur main to 5 goons. Who would let you T after that. Also, by not letting ghostprince win, that means by getting a better record, get more wins, how close minded can u be? Like I said in the previous thread, if anyone wants to see the scoring excel sheet whoever believes I can changing scores can see it.

Kyo: almost everyone wants to try a win a season esspecially you so I don't get what your problem is? Coming from a person who said, ill try a new race this season yet 75% of ur games you still play T according to the game report list and you've tried countless times trying to give me a loss and how many times have I successfully beaten you that you had stopped playin and obs for almost a week.

There is no bsing rule but if someone you know is gonna bs you or sabo, why do you guys bother playing with them? Playing together as a team leaves u all liable but if it doesn't change the outcome then it doesn't even matter if they bs you or not but if they sabo u go afk middle of the game or bs ur out of nowhere, then what do you think should be the outcome? Full loss on bottom or dodge on the player who bs/sabo?

These things are so simple to integrate yet you people always try to find a way to go around it so yourr voice could be heard, its been consistent ever since after season 6 when I came back and I don't understand what you guys want, it always changes with you players esspecially the new school players. Of course I'm going to respect the older players decisions because they have 2000 games of experience more compared to the new school players. Would you believe a friend you knew for 5 days over a friend you grew up with?

And lastly to law, refer to season 4-5(forgot which one) when he was on his vouching for his rights and democracy, and fighting for his people. Somethings never change.

Please don't abuse, Brat was fuckin blowin up my phone ALL DAY LONG about her ban even though I kept telling her that I couldn't do anything b/c I wasn't near my computer.

Quote from: korean]to[ on December 30, 2011, 12:03:43 PM

Quote from: Admin on December 30, 2011, 10:48:38 AM
law if you wanted a game judged, why didnt u post in game dispute or pm frozen or me?

if you think someone deliberately sabotaged, get it judged.

and my name isnt chan idiot

yo so sabo is dodge? two days ago, andy and trippy told me on ts that they were gonna lose anwyays and i put  up rep to prove it. i mean seroiusly, if u fuckingmake all zerglings and say that u didtn sabo and if ur base looks like trippys, idk what is sabo then. if thats the case i'l do that every game and see if ppl think its sabo or not. if u say someone deliberately saboed, i have rep and they told me on ts. does that count as dodge for andy and josh?

Sabo has always been dodge, no matter ZCT or ZCL. Brat was exposed for this like 4 days ago when she admitted on Vent she was going afk and then talking to Stronger when she thought everyone else was afk that she went afk b/c she was mad.

Quote from: kyo[m] on December 30, 2011, 01:19:08 PM
All we need is to implement a rule to not let admins judge their own games and have a couple of players to step-up to help judging games.

No dramas intended in this thread.

This was a rule in ZCT and I just assumed it was the same in ZCL, that judges couldn't judge their own reps?

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 30, 2011, 01:28:06 PM
this is what i will suggest to all of you, i will suggest to myst to pick 5 players as a ring of judges, not one judge can make a  decision on a rep and need at least 3 votes to agree on a conclusion of the rep.  i will ask to create a board strictly to the ring of judges that only me myst and andy can access as well as the judges. the names will come be announced once they have been chosen and agreed upon.

I think doing the voting is bad idea. Just have more than 2 judges imo which is what I've been saying since start of ZCL. Andy rarely games b/c he plays low money, Liquid is afk banging under-age g/f, so there's only Pr1me as active one. Myst needs to appoint like 5-6 judges so this problem doesn't occur. Been saying this forever, but w/e...

imo Law, Kyung, Falcon should be judges b/c they're most active in ZCL and forums.

Law + Brat, Pr1me now has same access as everyone so this won't happen again.

About Brat's ban, I sent you mail, but if brat's going to keep running her mouth day in day out, threaten to sabo games, unvision me from games, ban me from obs, then I will ban her from the channel.  Sorry to hear she would mass text/call you regarding her ban, didn't think she would have to run to daddy to fix her problems.

As for the judge, Me, Andy, Wong, wants you to be a judge/admin.

I know you said you'd never admin again but you're most experienced and a realest compared to everyone else on the forums/community.  Plus you are as active as me, if not more.  But if not, I still would come to you as an rep advisor as I do with sherri.

Edit: Law was banned for sabotaging games.

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 30, 2011, 05:27:08 PM
About Brat's ban, I sent you mail, but if brat's going to keep running her mouth day in day out, threaten to sabo games, unvision me from games, ban me from obs, then I will ban her from the channel.  Sorry to hear she would mass text/call you regarding her ban, didn't think she would have to run to daddy to fix her problems.

As for the judge, Me, Andy, Wong, wants you to be a judge/admin.

I know you said you'd never admin again but you're most experienced and a realest compared to everyone else on the forums/community.  Plus you are as active as me, if not more.  But if not, I still would come to you as an rep advisor as I do with sherri.

Edit: Law was banned for sabotaging games.

Ya, sounds like she deserved it imo actually for threatening to sabotage games...which she does say on a daily basis....openly to everyone. But thankfully you + Myst get to deal with it :)

I find it fuckin hilarious she cries about abuse tho when she does .voteban on people by whispering it ZCTour.

I'll judge games, but don't want admin.

So I guess you guys forget that bots save channel text in notepad files. So I went through them past couple days and pr1me showed me reps with text and Brat + Law both threatened to sabotage games against pr1me so he can't win. One quote from Law was: "I dont care about this loss, this loss hurts you more than me"

Obvi sabo less please? Your bans seem justified if you're going to openly sabotage someone so they can't win a season.

Pr1me has full access on bot, stop being stupid and threatening to sabotage.

Feel free to game with Goa if you don't want someone to win ZCL season.

Quote from: Tr0uble on December 30, 2011, 05:12:24 PM
This was a rule in ZCT and I just assumed it was the same in ZCL, that judges couldn't judge their own reps?

Yup. Also, one judge would judge the rep and if there was a heavy disagreement, another judge would judge it and if there is no agreement, the third judge would arbitrate.
Not possible to get 5 judges on 1 rep.

Also, Pr1me puts 110% effort into scoring and really tries to make it as accurate and fair as possible. How anyone could think he would rig them is beyond me...

Quote from: arie on December 30, 2011, 05:57:23 PM
Also, Pr1me puts 110% effort into scoring and really tries to make it as accurate and fair as possible. How anyone could think he would rig them is beyond me...

B/c they make assumptions and are just ignorant b/c they don't understand how scoring system works.

- trouble for +1 admin, as his experience precedes everyone else. maybe law/falcon.

- trippy and i did not sabotage that game with kyung.

- atetanka, kyung, brat should not be judges.

Quote from: Tr0uble on December 30, 2011, 05:12:24 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
I've said many times that prime abuses his power as an admin. Even if we were to do a vote for a new admin, prime's got a lot of his old school buddies to support him. This league is pretty much set up so that players who know prime well will get the benefit of having a few disputes here and there in their favour.

This abuse happened even to Brat who continues to try and preach this dumbass, where she got a DQ for no reason while tr0uble BS'd and took her main with his tanks. Apparently Brat unvisioned tr0uble for a brief moment before MM, but let me get this straight:

So in prime's book, having his friend such as Killer[SF] backstab me time and time again is not considered a DQ, but an unvision from Brat towards tr0uble for a brief moment constitutes an automatic DQ.

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

That game was CLEARLY already over when I bs'd. And I'm pretty sure that game was reported as team loss, which it should have been. Also, Brat was CLEARLY sabotaging b/c she was mad at me for w/e reason and sitting afk at her computer not helping. Cute try tho

No, prime whispered me to give her a DQ.

That game was far from over, the only thing that changed before you BS'd her was that her main was gone, which according to pr1me himself is not considered "CLEARLY over" with 2 other mains still intact.

And since when was saboing considered as dodge? According to prime, "Don't play with ppl who you think will sabo, otherwise too bad" is what I got from him when I got saboed & bsed by killer 5 games in a row. I think someone needs to clear up some of this confusion of sabo/bs shenanigans.

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

kyung sabotaged

Give me ABSOLUTE power i will solve all problems.

POWER CORRUPTS...ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY

To tr0uble:

"I  dont care about this loss, this loss hurts you more than me"

U guys are paranoid...
1. LIke i said w/l it doesnt matter to me, its about try my best.(i know sometimes i play really bad and yes i do stupid things, but i always try to win),
2. Yes since pr1me has a higher score he ll loses more points than me...its kinda obvious...

W.e Im just saying with need more judges, this i not a personal attackk to pr1me, stop  crying about "pr1mes makes the score blahblah", we appreciate it, i do. But the league is more than pr1me, everyone "must" contribute!

Zcl's power is centralized, as more centralized the voice of the participants become less and less influential. I suggest more admins and more independent judges (well ive been saying the same things during months also the ladder system, but i only received insults).

Iid like to be judge i think it would help with the transparency and also less work load for pr1me. Not me? It doesnt matter, i think we need at least 3 active judgers. And more admins to help pr1me.

And again pls... pr1me is doing great as admin (trying new things, fast standings, fixing score system, active player, etc).

Thx you pr1me! Let us help you now =)

Greetings

*I suggest Ph, Trippy, tr0uble as admins/judges maybe falcon/kyo/lisa/law(yes myself)/frozen (if he wants) and w.e

*Just an idea: 3 judges and 3 admins. Obviously judges/admins cant judge games that they played.

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 12:23:59 AM

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Stay tuned for the next episode!!!who will be the judges; what is mysterys name? is it CHAN? or not

Quote from: CoR[BF] on December 31, 2011, 09:48:35 AM
Stay tuned for the next episode!!!who will be the judges; what is mysterys name? is it CHAN? or not

You dumbass lol !
His name is johnathan and we all know it, where the fuck you been?

I vote cor[BF] for judge

PH I need some T lessons bro

As enlightening new evidence is brought to the plate, it looks like Jonathon is mystery!!mystery is jonathon!!! thanks to Brat !!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! onather note :PH teach me how to "T" so i can beat BRAT

imo just let pacman be an admin. In 2012, Blacks for president(He should even better than Obama).

law i can never tell when youre serious.

ph ive already said, if you think someone deliberately sabod get it judged

Quote from: Admin on December 31, 2011, 11:28:15 AM
law i can never tell when youre serious.

ph ive already said, if you think someone deliberately sabod get it judged

Like I've said, I've already tried. Prime's response was "Don't play with ppl who you think will sabo next time".

no u havent because he isnt the only judge

Quote from: Admin on December 31, 2011, 11:50:30 AM
no u havent because he isnt the only judge

So rules differ based on admins? That doesn't seem like a very good way of running a league if you ask me.

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 08:40:42 AM

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 12:23:59 AM

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

I was way too drunk to reply, but I messed up. That game was CLEARLY dodge on brat. I don't remember if she told everyone on /f m or actually typed in game, but she clearly said "fuck this game im going afk"

My bs was justified b/c she did in fact go afk and the game was ruined. If you felt that strongly that I should get a dodge and not brat, get it judged. Myst + Andy are both judges. Regardless, going afk is same as sabo which has ALWAYS been a dodge, no matter ZCT or ZCL.

Quote from: Admin on December 31, 2011, 11:50:30 AM
no u havent because he isnt the only judge

This.

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 12:01:01 PM

Quote from: Admin on December 31, 2011, 11:50:30 AM
no u havent because he isnt the only judge

So rules differ based on admins? That doesn't seem like a very good way of running a league if you ask me.

sabo's/Afk's/not trying have always been dodges. Always. If you feel it was judged improperly, then talk to Myst. He doesn't game much, but he's always on forums.

In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

if someone bs'd when no team is winning then it is a dodge on the bser

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 08:40:42 AM

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 12:23:59 AM

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 01:11:41 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 08:40:42 AM

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 12:23:59 AM

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other. And I didn't bother disputing this game to other admins because I thought it was common sense to assume that when one judge tells you what is/isn't a rule, it remains objective for all the other judges.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

Quote from: Tr0uble on December 31, 2011, 01:22:32 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

hi

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 01:31:58 PM

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 01:11:41 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 08:40:42 AM

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 12:23:59 AM

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 01:36:06 PM

Quote from: Tr0uble on December 31, 2011, 01:22:32 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

BWCHART/WLAUNCHER - me and andy have these programs to detect whether someone is afk.

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 01:39:41 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 01:31:58 PM

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 01:11:41 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 08:40:42 AM

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 12:23:59 AM

Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Alright, you just told me to dispute the game to other admins because you're not the only judge. Therefore it is logical to assume that rules are varied among admins. You have no problem of this?

Close minded? Lmfao. YOU were the one who told me that a BS is not considered DQ and yet, I'm the close minded one because I assumed rules were objective among admins? Lol.

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 01:40:54 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 01:36:06 PM

Quote from: Tr0uble on December 31, 2011, 01:22:32 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

BWCHART/WLAUNCHER - me and andy have these programs to detect whether someone is afk.

What if someone deliberately made pointless actions to keep his APM constant? Is this the part where you say "get it judged by another admin"?

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This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Alright, you just told me to dispute the game to other admins because you're not the only judge. Therefore it is logical to assume that rules are varied among admins. You have no problem of this?

Close minded? Lmfao. YOU were the one who told me that a BS is not considered DQ and yet, I'm the close minded one because I assumed rules were objective among admins? Lol.

I have no problem with what Quinn, Andy, and Jon decide.  You can ask them for anything if you don't want to ask me, simple.

Have fun and enjoy the league.

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In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

BWCHART/WLAUNCHER - me and andy have these programs to detect whether someone is afk.

What if someone deliberately made pointless actions to keep his APM constant? Is this the part where you say "get it judged by another admin"?

It's not hard to read BWCHART/WLAUNCHER, it tells you their actions, whether or not they are making pointless actions, it will read if they choose larva, making starports, holding down a hotkey, etc.

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This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Alright, you just told me to dispute the game to other admins because you're not the only judge. Therefore it is logical to assume that rules are varied among admins. You have no problem of this?

Close minded? Lmfao. YOU were the one who told me that a BS is not considered DQ and yet, I'm the close minded one because I assumed rules were objective among admins? Lol.

I have no problem with what Quinn, Andy, and Jon decide.  You can ask them for anything if you don't want to ask me, simple.

Have fun and enjoy the league.

Another way of saying, "I fucked up, ask other admins next time."

Peace

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Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

Ok, I see. My bad <3

As far as someone declaring they're going afk, basically sabotaging, that's always been dodge. The only way to see if someone truly goes afk, either apm drops or they're not doing anything in game, but they hold their apm by hotkeying a building and continually pushing that key, you can only tell my BWLauncher. I think Pr1me should have said dodge on brat for unvision + going afk and openly admitting she was going afk, not the fact that b/c she bs'd after I did.

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This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Alright, you just told me to dispute the game to other admins because you're not the only judge. Therefore it is logical to assume that rules are varied among admins. You have no problem of this?

Close minded? Lmfao. YOU were the one who told me that a BS is not considered DQ and yet, I'm the close minded one because I assumed rules were objective among admins? Lol.

I have no problem with what Quinn, Andy, and Jon decide.  You can ask them for anything if you don't want to ask me, simple.

Have fun and enjoy the league.

Another way of saying, "I fucked up, ask other admins next time."

Peace

Lol, seems like you are still closed minded and which to only see things your way.  But honestly, you're making things more complicated as it is, there are things in this league that are discussed that aren't exposed to the league so don't think I always make all these decisions on my own.

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This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

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Quote from: soserial on December 30, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Alright, you just told me to dispute the game to other admins because you're not the only judge. Therefore it is logical to assume that rules are varied among admins. You have no problem of this?

Close minded? Lmfao. YOU were the one who told me that a BS is not considered DQ and yet, I'm the close minded one because I assumed rules were objective among admins? Lol.

I have no problem with what Quinn, Andy, and Jon decide.  You can ask them for anything if you don't want to ask me, simple.

Have fun and enjoy the league.

Another way of saying, "I fucked up, ask other admins next time."

Peace

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 01:47:51 PM

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In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

BWCHART/WLAUNCHER - me and andy have these programs to detect whether someone is afk.

What if someone deliberately made pointless actions to keep his APM constant? Is this the part where you say "get it judged by another admin"?

It's not hard to read BWCHART/WLAUNCHER, it tells you their actions, whether or not they are making pointless actions, it will read if they choose larva, making starports, holding down a hotkey, etc.

Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 01:47:51 PM

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Quote from: Pr1meIVI on December 31, 2011, 01:40:54 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 01:36:06 PM

Quote from: Tr0uble on December 31, 2011, 01:22:32 PM

Quote from: soserial on December 31, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

BWCHART/WLAUNCHER - me and andy have these programs to detect whether someone is afk.

What if someone deliberately made pointless actions to keep his APM constant? Is this the part where you say "get it judged by another admin"?

It's not hard to read BWCHART/WLAUNCHER, it tells you their actions, whether or not they are making pointless actions, it will read if they choose larva, making starports, holding down a hotkey, etc.

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This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

I wonder how many quotes are there? i tried posting but only 2000 cahracters max lol HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!!!!
By the way, i commend Prime and Myst for holding ZC together, and everybody else who contributed to making this a fun year!!! i will be drunk by 3am Pacific Standard time with a bottle of Green Label, gotta work part time gig bouncing for a casino 4PM-2AM, i hope i do get to tazer someone tonight and pretend im tazing brat!!!!

I wonder how many quotes was that........anyways HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!, by the way i commend prime and mystery for a good job this year holding zc together.......no matter how many times we threw bullshit at them they still did what they were suppose to do good job and happy new year!!!!!!!!

i get the last word.

ez

Quote from: thunder on December 31, 2011, 03:36:38 PM
i get the last word.

ez

Think Again chink ! HAPPY NEW YEARS GUYS && THIS WAS THE BEST THREAD EVER !
THANK YOU PR1ME AND MYST FOR KEEPING ZC ALIVE !

ARIE HAPPY NEW YEARS !!!!

Happy new year, thx u pr1me, myst, killer, arie, atetanka, ph, trouble, tech, orange, iwin, maxine, brat, pacman, frozen, johnnycage, trippy, ghostprince, ewie, cor, joe, falcon, megix and many others to keep zc alive.

Happy new year zc community

Quote from: law[bf] on December 31, 2011, 06:16:17 PM
Happy new year, thx u pr1me, myst, killer, arie, atetanka, ph, trouble, tech, orange, iwin, maxine, brat, pacman, frozen, johnnycage, trippy, ghostprince, ewie, cor, joe, falcon, megix and many others to keep zc alive.

Happy new year zc community

mistaken.

happy new year~

This is the problem. As a judge. People will always bitch. Everyone won't be happy obviously. Judging fair is judging fair I tried to be fair as a zct admin. if you honestly go against people like law or jc that has nothing else better to do they will blow it up and a big deal over nothing regardless of being honest or not cuz they are like that. As far as sabo. How can u blame prime for anything what can he do? He said the best answer he could IMO U PLAY WITH WHO U WANT TO. What could he possibly do? Nobody knows who Sabos or genuinely makes mistakes ectect. People take this game more seriously than others. There's no answer to sabo no solution for it u just blame first person that comes to mind.

As far as prime being admin n in control blahblah he deserves a medal for putting up with half of you cuz realy half of you are just too much. Prime does great with scoring. Never seen him judge. Not saying this cuz he's my friend he is doing a great job and if zcl didn't exist zc would be significantly more shitty. The problem is. NOBODY admits defeat. Ic games where Terran base holding on by few buildings and arguments are made for against it. Another thing. People are pulling, alot of games drop so there's more judging. In zct I don't remember judging many games. I see law bitch bout a game every 2 days. If it was up to me. Jc/law would never be allowed anywhere cuz to annoying. Brat is fine sometimes but sabos alot. U give me reasons to sabo u i won't try as hard sry but it's the truth. I would NOT put my time in for half of u so everyone should be happy for what prime has done. Love or hate prime I'd say it for whomever. Just nobody did what he did so... Play the game as it is u only have a number of people who play 1 or 2 will usually ruin the game but doesn't necessarily make it anyone's fault and primes last one to play. Zct ppl were more mature less annoying better and was more fun to play with I think. That's why judging wasn't much of a problem. Most the better ppl stop playing much and although several rly good ppl like tech kyo lisa and other I forget got rly good. Alot of ppl got mad and just annoying as hell. Would be a little until sc is rly fun with less problems imo. Need better more people. No alcohols no annoying people. Admins doing better than that thought would especially dealing without they are dealing with

Don't let yan win pls.. !!!

Quote from: killer on January 01, 2012, 05:52:20 AM
This is the problem. As a judge. People will always bitch. Everyone won't be happy obviously. Judging fair is judging fair I tried to be fair as a zct admin. if you honestly go against people like law or jc that has nothing else better to do they will blow it up and a big deal over nothing regardless of being honest or not cuz they are like that. As far as sabo. How can u blame prime for anything what can he do? He said the best answer he could IMO U PLAY WITH WHO U WANT TO. What could he possibly do? Nobody knows who Sabos or genuinely makes mistakes ectect. People take this game more seriously than others. There's no answer to sabo no solution for it u just blame first person that comes to mind.

As far as prime being admin n in control blahblah he deserves a medal for putting up with half of you cuz realy half of you are just too much. Prime does great with scoring. Never seen him judge. Not saying this cuz he's my friend he is doing a great job and if zcl didn't exist zc would be significantly more shitty. The problem is. NOBODY admits defeat. Ic games where Terran base holding on by few buildings and arguments are made for against it. Another thing. People are pulling, alot of games drop so there's more judging. In zct I don't remember judging many games. I see law bitch bout a game every 2 days. If it was up to me. Jc/law would never be allowed anywhere cuz to annoying. Brat is fine sometimes but sabos alot. U give me reasons to sabo u i won't try as hard sry but it's the truth. I would NOT put my time in for half of u so everyone should be happy for what prime has done. Love or hate prime I'd say it for whomever. Just nobody did what he did so... Play the game as it is u only have a number of people who play 1 or 2 will usually ruin the game but doesn't necessarily make it anyone's fault and primes last one to play. Zct ppl were more mature less annoying better and was more fun to play with I think. That's why judging wasn't much of a problem. Most the better ppl stop playing much and although several rly good ppl like tech kyo lisa and other I forget got rly good. Alot of ppl got mad and just annoying as hell. Would be a little until sc is rly fun with less problems imo. Need better more people. No alcohols no annoying people. Admins doing better than that thought would especially dealing without they are dealing with

Don't let yan win pls.. !!!

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Quote from: killer on January 01, 2012, 05:52:20 AM
This is the problem. As a judge. People will always bitch. Everyone won't be happy obviously. Judging fair is judging fair I tried to be fair as a zct admin. if you honestly go against people like law or jc that has nothing else better to do they will blow it up and a big deal over nothing regardless of being honest or not cuz they are like that. As far as sabo. How can u blame prime for anything what can he do? He said the best answer he could IMO U PLAY WITH WHO U WANT TO. What could he possibly do? Nobody knows who Sabos or genuinely makes mistakes ectect. People take this game more seriously than others. There's no answer to sabo no solution for it u just blame first person that comes to mind.

As far as prime being admin n in control blahblah he deserves a medal for putting up with half of you cuz realy half of you are just too much. Prime does great with scoring. Never seen him judge. Not saying this cuz he's my friend he is doing a great job and if zcl didn't exist zc would be significantly more shitty. The problem is. NOBODY admits defeat. Ic games where Terran base holding on by few buildings and arguments are made for against it. Another thing. People are pulling, alot of games drop so there's more judging. In zct I don't remember judging many games. I see law bitch bout a game every 2 days. If it was up to me. Jc/law would never be allowed anywhere cuz to annoying. Brat is fine sometimes but sabos alot. U give me reasons to sabo u i won't try as hard sry but it's the truth. I would NOT put my time in for half of u so everyone should be happy for what prime has done. Love or hate prime I'd say it for whomever. Just nobody did what he did so... Play the game as it is u only have a number of people who play 1 or 2 will usually ruin the game but doesn't necessarily make it anyone's fault and primes last one to play. Zct ppl were more mature less annoying better and was more fun to play with I think. That's why judging wasn't much of a problem. Most the better ppl stop playing much and although several rly good ppl like tech kyo lisa and other I forget got rly good. Alot of ppl got mad and just annoying as hell. Would be a little until sc is rly fun with less problems imo. Need better more people. No alcohols no annoying people. Admins doing better than that thought would especially dealing without they are dealing with

Don't let yan win pls.. !!!

Despite getting sabo'd by this clown countless times I still won the season. Also ur terran was overrated as fuck.

Next

lol ph, this thread was 4 years ago haha.. also killer's t was the bees knees mannnn, i legit only lost 2 games with him my entire career w/ him yo

LMAO idk who or remember who you are but I'm glad you finally got that off your chest after five years hopefully it lets you sleep better at night

LOL, bruh killer why do you keep snooping these threads but never coming online?

Let's get a game going. BW is a ghost town.

Quote from: korean]to[ on December 22, 2016, 08:05:04 PM
Let's get a game going. BW is a ghost town.

I blame Pr1me and his dictatorship.

Quote from: johnNYCage on December 30, 2011, 07:41:59 AM

Quote from: law[bf] on December 30, 2011, 05:14:39 AM
Well buddies, pr1me is trying to win this season, 3 days ago he modified my report and edit his lose, giving a dodge to his own partner(iwin), he said literally "is a dodge zerg and toss still have main and trippy stopped rcing". Iwin had about 300 money, no base, no main (ill upload rep later, not at home).

i could be wrong but i dont think hes the only player trying to win this season

I said literally, pr1me i respect ur opinion, but i need a impartial jugde, obviously u cant judge, there are interests involved. He said: "idc what does andy (jugde) say, ill remove ur report".

andy recently wrote a thesis of some short on the US constitution. with his birds eye insight, he may be able to assist.

Yesterday happened something funny... We played pzp iwin again left after get raped by me and marco (no base, no main, no mins again). I said "dodge", i explained my point in channel, i just repeated his words "pz had main and base, its clearly a dodge" and i got banned. I didnt insult him, i didnt spam i said 1 phrase and i got banned.

I dont feel the humor in this.

Come on dudes... he cannot be the judge, jury, and executioner...

why not?  pls explain.

Being serius, i appreciate what pr1me is doing lately for zcl (i really like the idea of  the new score system). But i think he cant modify/judge/remove games that he played. Y i cant ask to other judgers? Zcl is becoming a dictatorship?

does this mean you werent being serious in your aforementioned statements?

Im wrong Monarch Pr1me? Or you are going to ban me from forums too??

Greetings

I wish you all the best in your quest for reinstatement.

PS:  What do you mean by "the new shins".  im totally lost.

bump, JC is funny

prime most corrupt admin

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