Pr1me the new shins?

[Tr0uble]

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

I was way too drunk to reply, but I messed up. That game was CLEARLY dodge on brat. I don't remember if she told everyone on /f m or actually typed in game, but she clearly said "fuck this game im going afk"

My bs was justified b/c she did in fact go afk and the game was ruined. If you felt that strongly that I should get a dodge and not brat, get it judged. Myst + Andy are both judges. Regardless, going afk is same as sabo which has ALWAYS been a dodge, no matter ZCT or ZCL.

no u havent because he isnt the only judge

This.

no u havent because he isnt the only judge

So rules differ based on admins? That doesn't seem like a very good way of running a league if you ask me.

sabo's/Afk's/not trying have always been dodges. Always. If you feel it was judged improperly, then talk to Myst. He doesn't game much, but he's always on forums.

[soserial]

In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

[Admin]

if someone bs'd when no team is winning then it is a dodge on the bser

[Pr1meIVI]

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

[Tr0uble]

In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

[soserial]

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other. And I didn't bother disputing this game to other admins because I thought it was common sense to assume that when one judge tells you what is/isn't a rule, it remains objective for all the other judges.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

[soserial]

In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

[thunder]

hi

[Pr1meIVI]

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

[Pr1meIVI]

In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

BWCHART/WLAUNCHER - me and andy have these programs to detect whether someone is afk.

[soserial]

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Alright, you just told me to dispute the game to other admins because you're not the only judge. Therefore it is logical to assume that rules are varied among admins. You have no problem of this?

Close minded? Lmfao. YOU were the one who told me that a BS is not considered DQ and yet, I'm the close minded one because I assumed rules were objective among admins? Lol.

[soserial]

In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

BWCHART/WLAUNCHER - me and andy have these programs to detect whether someone is afk.

What if someone deliberately made pointless actions to keep his APM constant? Is this the part where you say "get it judged by another admin"?

[Pr1meIVI]

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Alright, you just told me to dispute the game to other admins because you're not the only judge. Therefore it is logical to assume that rules are varied among admins. You have no problem of this?

Close minded? Lmfao. YOU were the one who told me that a BS is not considered DQ and yet, I'm the close minded one because I assumed rules were objective among admins? Lol.

I have no problem with what Quinn, Andy, and Jon decide.  You can ask them for anything if you don't want to ask me, simple.

Have fun and enjoy the league.

[Pr1meIVI]

In the previous pages, prime had a different perspective on what was considered a sabo. Which one of the admins is at fault here then?

Myst, if you were to judge a scenario where someone BS'd you WHICH CHANGES THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME, would that be considered a dodge on said person?

Brat declaring she was going Afk and then actually going Afk for 5-7min clearly changed the outcome of the game previous to me bs'ing her. Pr1me judged as dodge on her, which I believe is correct. The fact that you're still holding onto that game obviously means you should have asked Mystery to judge it. You keep referring to me bs'ing and it's dodge on me. I personally don't care, but you're neglecting the fact that she had an emo moment and went afk b/c she was angry for w/e reason. I don't see how pr1me is at fault?

Every situation is going to be different and different people will have different opinions and interpretations. You have only yourself to blame by not asking another judge.

I'm not trying to get you a dodge, I honestly don't care about the result of that game anymore. I was just using this game as an example of how pr1me judges games and see his point of view.

So basically if you DECLARE that you will go afk, that is an automatic DQ but if you don't say anything in chat but remain inactive (not making tanks, mid gets demolished, you lose), that is not a DQ because no one can really know for sure whether the player went afk or not.

BWCHART/WLAUNCHER - me and andy have these programs to detect whether someone is afk.

What if someone deliberately made pointless actions to keep his APM constant? Is this the part where you say "get it judged by another admin"?

It's not hard to read BWCHART/WLAUNCHER, it tells you their actions, whether or not they are making pointless actions, it will read if they choose larva, making starports, holding down a hotkey, etc.

[soserial]

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.

Rofl, you did whisper me, I wouldn't make this shit up.

In Brat's scenario, she never BS'd trouble, I even told you after I watched rep. It was tr0uble who BS'd her and yet he didn't receive dodge.

So basically according to you, a sabo is only considered a dodge when the outcome DOES change from that sabo. But who's to judge which scenarios are considered outcome-changing or not? You? When my arbs die from killer's turrets when they move out for a MM recall because he unallied, is that scenario not considered game-changing? When someone builds a perfect terran base with absolutely no tanks, who's to judge whether he really fucked up on accident or simply decided not to make tanks in order to sabo? Stop talking out of your ass, you look stupid trying to justify yourself.

I don't care if it was the 3rd or the 10th time in a row Killer sabos me in a game. If you want this league to run in the fairest form possible, you should at least try to implement rules so that it won't limit players from being able to play games in this league. Just because Killer saboed me the previous 4 games, does that justify his 5th? Think as an admin please.

Did I say BRAT was the one who BS'ed? No, find it in that sentence where I refered to Brat bsing trouble after unvisioning, fucking goof.

So according to me that is correct, did you're arbs do anything? No.  Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack? Did you bother to put it as a game dispute and attach a replay of Killer doing this? No, not ONCE did you post a game dispute on the thread of Killer sabotaging you 5 times so according to me, and all the other admins/judges, you ARE talking out of you're ass, replay or no proof, once again you're being a goof.

What are you talking about? Limit players from playing in this league? Everyone is welcomed, everyone has a choice if they want to play or not. Everyone has a choice if they want to report their games or not.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has brought rise and attention and focus to more judges, which Trouble has been appointed to now.  So if there is a problem with a game, you now have myself, thunder[fdu], and trouble.  Please report any games you wish to dispute of a sabotage/dodge/bs on game dispute thread under game report.

Thanks.

Are you retarded or something? I didn't post replays on dispute because I asked you after the game whether bsing is considered a sabo, and you said something along the lines of, "no, join games at your own discretion." That in a sense is limiting players in playing legitimate games where ppl don't sabo each other.

"Killer killed your arbs, ok, do something else? Does someone need to hold your hand and guide to do a 2nd attack?"

You're basically telling me to suck it up when someone BSes me and try other ways to win? You're a fucking moron. You can't even admit your own mistakes and make yourself look even more stupid post after post. Peace

What mistake? There's 2 other judges/admins besides me? You're basically telling me I'm the only person who runs this league, smart ass. What I basically said was you stayed in the game and didn't bother report where it would be visible to ALL judges/admins, how hard is that to understand?! YET you decide to stay in ALL 5 games, why? I don't know. Do you not understand something, read what I just said, where did I tell you to suck it up? You're talking about yourself, YOU SUCKED IT UP, YOU PLAYED THE GAME, YOU DIDN'T REPORT.  TELL ME WHERE DO YOU FIND ME IN THAT GAME, PLEASE PRINCEHARRY, PLEASE TELL ME.

Yeah I'm making myself stupid, that's an awesome way to back up your argument, you're not helping your cause at all. Like seriously, how many times/examples/explanations do you need to get through to your head?

The point of this all; YOU didn't bother to ask another judge/admin yet alone post on the game dispute, you couldn't think for yourself and is as closed minded as brat.

Alright, you just told me to dispute the game to other admins because you're not the only judge. Therefore it is logical to assume that rules are varied among admins. You have no problem of this?

Close minded? Lmfao. YOU were the one who told me that a BS is not considered DQ and yet, I'm the close minded one because I assumed rules were objective among admins? Lol.

I have no problem with what Quinn, Andy, and Jon decide.  You can ask them for anything if you don't want to ask me, simple.

Have fun and enjoy the league.

Another way of saying, "I fucked up, ask other admins next time."

Peace