Pr1me the new shins?

[orangeju1ce]

this topic is turning into a cool story, hold up let me keep reading

[kyo[m]]

All we need is to implement a rule to not let admins judge their own games and have a couple of players to step-up to help judging games.

No dramas intended in this thread.

[Pr1meIVI]

this is what i will suggest to all of you, i will suggest to myst to pick 5 players as a ring of judges, not one judge can make a  decision on a rep and need at least 3 votes to agree on a conclusion of the rep.  i will ask to create a board strictly to the ring of judges that only me myst and andy can access as well as the judges. the names will come be announced once they have been chosen and agreed upon.

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quinn tanka megix andy prime mystery . six since mystery barely plays

[Tr0uble]

I've said many times that prime abuses his power as an admin. Even if we were to do a vote for a new admin, prime's got a lot of his old school buddies to support him. This league is pretty much set up so that players who know prime well will get the benefit of having a few disputes here and there in their favour.

This abuse happened even to Brat who continues to try and preach this dumbass, where she got a DQ for no reason while tr0uble BS'd and took her main with his tanks. Apparently Brat unvisioned tr0uble for a brief moment before MM, but let me get this straight:

So in prime's book, having his friend such as Killer[SF] backstab me time and time again is not considered a DQ, but an unvision from Brat towards tr0uble for a brief moment constitutes an automatic DQ.

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

That game was CLEARLY already over when I bs'd. And I'm pretty sure that game was reported as team loss, which it should have been. Also, Brat was CLEARLY sabotaging b/c she was mad at me for w/e reason and sitting afk at her computer not helping. Cute try tho

Ahh I guess I should reply to this.

Brat: there's a difference between admin abuse and channel abuse, and banning u from channels is bot abuse, I would rather win games than risk you having as my T as the game before u lost ur main to 5 goons. Who would let you T after that. Also, by not letting ghostprince win, that means by getting a better record, get more wins, how close minded can u be? Like I said in the previous thread, if anyone wants to see the scoring excel sheet whoever believes I can changing scores can see it.

Kyo: almost everyone wants to try a win a season esspecially you so I don't get what your problem is? Coming from a person who said, ill try a new race this season yet 75% of ur games you still play T according to the game report list and you've tried countless times trying to give me a loss and how many times have I successfully beaten you that you had stopped playin and obs for almost a week.

There is no bsing rule but if someone you know is gonna bs you or sabo, why do you guys bother playing with them? Playing together as a team leaves u all liable but if it doesn't change the outcome then it doesn't even matter if they bs you or not but if they sabo u go afk middle of the game or bs ur out of nowhere, then what do you think should be the outcome? Full loss on bottom or dodge on the player who bs/sabo?

These things are so simple to integrate yet you people always try to find a way to go around it so yourr voice could be heard, its been consistent ever since after season 6 when I came back and I don't understand what you guys want, it always changes with you players esspecially the new school players. Of course I'm going to respect the older players decisions because they have 2000 games of experience more compared to the new school players. Would you believe a friend you knew for 5 days over a friend you grew up with?

And lastly to law, refer to season 4-5(forgot which one) when he was on his vouching for his rights and democracy, and fighting for his people. Somethings never change.

Please don't abuse, Brat was fuckin blowin up my phone ALL DAY LONG about her ban even though I kept telling her that I couldn't do anything b/c I wasn't near my computer.

law if you wanted a game judged, why didnt u post in game dispute or pm frozen or me?

if you think someone deliberately sabotaged, get it judged.

and my name isnt chan idiot

yo so sabo is dodge? two days ago, andy and trippy told me on ts that they were gonna lose anwyays and i put  up rep to prove it. i mean seroiusly, if u fuckingmake all zerglings and say that u didtn sabo and if ur base looks like trippys, idk what is sabo then. if thats the case i'l do that every game and see if ppl think its sabo or not. if u say someone deliberately saboed, i have rep and they told me on ts. does that count as dodge for andy and josh?

Sabo has always been dodge, no matter ZCT or ZCL. Brat was exposed for this like 4 days ago when she admitted on Vent she was going afk and then talking to Stronger when she thought everyone else was afk that she went afk b/c she was mad.

All we need is to implement a rule to not let admins judge their own games and have a couple of players to step-up to help judging games.

No dramas intended in this thread.

This was a rule in ZCT and I just assumed it was the same in ZCL, that judges couldn't judge their own reps?

this is what i will suggest to all of you, i will suggest to myst to pick 5 players as a ring of judges, not one judge can make a  decision on a rep and need at least 3 votes to agree on a conclusion of the rep.  i will ask to create a board strictly to the ring of judges that only me myst and andy can access as well as the judges. the names will come be announced once they have been chosen and agreed upon.

I think doing the voting is bad idea. Just have more than 2 judges imo which is what I've been saying since start of ZCL. Andy rarely games b/c he plays low money, Liquid is afk banging under-age g/f, so there's only Pr1me as active one. Myst needs to appoint like 5-6 judges so this problem doesn't occur. Been saying this forever, but w/e...

imo Law, Kyung, Falcon should be judges b/c they're most active in ZCL and forums.

[Tr0uble]

Law + Brat, Pr1me now has same access as everyone so this won't happen again.

[Pr1meIVI]

About Brat's ban, I sent you mail, but if brat's going to keep running her mouth day in day out, threaten to sabo games, unvision me from games, ban me from obs, then I will ban her from the channel.  Sorry to hear she would mass text/call you regarding her ban, didn't think she would have to run to daddy to fix her problems.

As for the judge, Me, Andy, Wong, wants you to be a judge/admin.

I know you said you'd never admin again but you're most experienced and a realest compared to everyone else on the forums/community.  Plus you are as active as me, if not more.  But if not, I still would come to you as an rep advisor as I do with sherri.

Edit: Law was banned for sabotaging games.

[Tr0uble]

About Brat's ban, I sent you mail, but if brat's going to keep running her mouth day in day out, threaten to sabo games, unvision me from games, ban me from obs, then I will ban her from the channel.  Sorry to hear she would mass text/call you regarding her ban, didn't think she would have to run to daddy to fix her problems.

As for the judge, Me, Andy, Wong, wants you to be a judge/admin.

I know you said you'd never admin again but you're most experienced and a realest compared to everyone else on the forums/community.  Plus you are as active as me, if not more.  But if not, I still would come to you as an rep advisor as I do with sherri.

Edit: Law was banned for sabotaging games.

Ya, sounds like she deserved it imo actually for threatening to sabotage games...which she does say on a daily basis....openly to everyone. But thankfully you + Myst get to deal with it

I find it fuckin hilarious she cries about abuse tho when she does .voteban on people by whispering it ZCTour.

I'll judge games, but don't want admin.

[Tr0uble]

So I guess you guys forget that bots save channel text in notepad files. So I went through them past couple days and pr1me showed me reps with text and Brat + Law both threatened to sabotage games against pr1me so he can't win. One quote from Law was: "I dont care about this loss, this loss hurts you more than me"

Obvi sabo less please? Your bans seem justified if you're going to openly sabotage someone so they can't win a season.

Pr1me has full access on bot, stop being stupid and threatening to sabotage.

Feel free to game with Goa if you don't want someone to win ZCL season.

[arie]

This was a rule in ZCT and I just assumed it was the same in ZCL, that judges couldn't judge their own reps?

Yup. Also, one judge would judge the rep and if there was a heavy disagreement, another judge would judge it and if there is no agreement, the third judge would arbitrate.
Not possible to get 5 judges on 1 rep.

[arie]

Also, Pr1me puts 110% effort into scoring and really tries to make it as accurate and fair as possible. How anyone could think he would rig them is beyond me...

[Tr0uble]

Also, Pr1me puts 110% effort into scoring and really tries to make it as accurate and fair as possible. How anyone could think he would rig them is beyond me...

B/c they make assumptions and are just ignorant b/c they don't understand how scoring system works.

[thunder]

- trouble for +1 admin, as his experience precedes everyone else. maybe law/falcon.

- trippy and i did not sabotage that game with kyung.

- atetanka, kyung, brat should not be judges.

[soserial]

I've said many times that prime abuses his power as an admin. Even if we were to do a vote for a new admin, prime's got a lot of his old school buddies to support him. This league is pretty much set up so that players who know prime well will get the benefit of having a few disputes here and there in their favour.

This abuse happened even to Brat who continues to try and preach this dumbass, where she got a DQ for no reason while tr0uble BS'd and took her main with his tanks. Apparently Brat unvisioned tr0uble for a brief moment before MM, but let me get this straight:

So in prime's book, having his friend such as Killer[SF] backstab me time and time again is not considered a DQ, but an unvision from Brat towards tr0uble for a brief moment constitutes an automatic DQ.

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

That game was CLEARLY already over when I bs'd. And I'm pretty sure that game was reported as team loss, which it should have been. Also, Brat was CLEARLY sabotaging b/c she was mad at me for w/e reason and sitting afk at her computer not helping. Cute try tho

No, prime whispered me to give her a DQ.

That game was far from over, the only thing that changed before you BS'd her was that her main was gone, which according to pr1me himself is not considered "CLEARLY over" with 2 other mains still intact.

And since when was saboing considered as dodge? According to prime, "Don't play with ppl who you think will sabo, otherwise too bad" is what I got from him when I got saboed & bsed by killer 5 games in a row. I think someone needs to clear up some of this confusion of sabo/bs shenanigans.

[Pr1meIVI]

This shit doesn't happen everyday but it happens, and it seems like nothing can be done about it. So my suggestion to you Law is to either play games without prime, or stop playing zc. Or be like me and just stop caring, and play for the hell of it.

Why are you still talking? "be like me and just stop caring"

You speak in generalization, and I didn't whisper shit.

Brat's scenario; unvisioning trouble, thus bsing right after MM = sabotage = DODGE

Killer scenario's; you two still playing in games longer than 20 minutes, even though killer doesnt build base basic doesnt hold as an account in sabotaging, kill bsed you when game was over. 

IF someone sabo's when the outcome isn't going to change (broken middle/half ass bases/mains gones/etc) it doesn't even matter.  You're justification is as bad as brat and law, again get your facts straight, and understand the scenario before coming to a judgement.

EX: trippy kyung demure vs 3oo logic stronger = just because people dont build standard bases is an auto-sabo? it took almost 30 minutes to beat them according to the replay.

Again, like I said, all these things you bring up are so simple to undestand and realize yet uou try bring it up to your favor.  Why couldn't you have thought of that yourself after the 3rd time killer wasn't giving 100% playing with you? It took you 5 times to figure it out killer was not going to play extensively by your side? It took me 1 game with brat and law to understand they were going to sabo because it was an easy decision, don't play with them.  5 times PH, 5 times. Think on your own.