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Title: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Pr1meIVI on November 17, 2010, 07:33:54 AM
Please discuss!

This should be a very good debate.
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: Bird(FHW on November 17, 2010, 10:18:39 AM
Songuyver
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: Pr1meIVI on November 17, 2010, 10:46:10 AM
No idea who that is, please explain.
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: Psilocin on November 17, 2010, 11:01:21 AM
too bad we lost all those good all time zc stats from the previous forum
seems to me thatsCRAZY was leading pretty much every important category
never caught cheating either... and he ran the league when it didn't suck
ez vote imo
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: pacman on November 17, 2010, 11:08:55 AM
allright my top 5 list of people that i played with

1. Arie- She was really amazing ptz + her pzp p/z was awesome
and sleezed killer tvt majority of times
2. Surya- Not really much to say its surya
3. GN[FDU] - amazing z p/t veryy underrated 
4. i)ark-fire- amazinggg p/t
5. LoH]Say.1 - good ptz never rust
Other good people
killer[bm] Lefty Thunder(he is #1 zcer atm) prime exc exc
im high idk if any of this made sense

Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: Bird(FHW on November 17, 2010, 02:41:06 PM
Songuyver is an old skool player on West. He was a one racer with toss and mced another race. The thing is that he'd do all this before mm and rc a sh!tload of tanks/guards with drags into your base. He probably isn't the best ZCer but very fun to watch.
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: law[bf] on November 18, 2010, 07:11:24 AM
1. Joe
2. surya
3. Uncas
4. Arie
5. Sae
6. Ghost
7. Looose
8. Killer
9. Gn
10. Trouble

*trippy, thunder, pr1me, mystery, demonyo, pacman, tanka, w0lf, and wolfman

Greetings
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: killer on November 18, 2010, 10:30:24 AM
arie. the best overall player to ever play. nobody was even close to her, maybe surya when he hacked. cant think of one weakness she had. she could play any race and win against stacked teams. raped me a lot but still the unbeatable duoo. can prolly come back and kick our asses after 7 month break.

u rly put gamer as #1? loool
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: CoR[BF] on December 04, 2010, 04:04:30 PM
Absolute-Zero
CK
Oliber
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: LiQuiD on December 04, 2010, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: Krazy-Kid on November 17, 2010, 10:18:39 AM
Songuyver

vouch

Songuyver was a great pub zc mm player on west.  I have a few reps still of him and I put him in the zc video I made years ago.  He was in [HC] along with TGT, Kira, Ancients and myself.  Very innovative and team oriented protoss style geared towards bw pub games, but would not hold up in todays games.
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: surya on December 08, 2010, 09:10:42 PM
Greatest players of all time:
tc
lucivar
lefty
uncas
expert
wolf

greatest jesters of all time: for keeping me entertained all these years lol.
falcon
tr0uble
tanka
megix
liquid


edit:Forgot killer/ubn/entous these guys are cute
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: surya on December 08, 2010, 09:26:58 PM
Quote from: killer on November 18, 2010, 10:30:24 AM
arie. the best overall player to ever play. nobody was even close to her, maybe surya when he hacked. cant think of one weakness she had. she could play any race and win against stacked teams. raped me a lot but still the unbeatable duoo. can prolly come back and kick our asses after 7 month break.

u rly put gamer as #1? loool

(http://i52.tinypic.com/35iaf77.jpg)
Title: Re: Best ZC player of ALL-TIME
Post by: Bird(FHW on December 09, 2010, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: LiQuiD on December 04, 2010, 06:34:03 PM
Quote from: Krazy-Kid on November 17, 2010, 10:18:39 AM
Songuyver

vouch

Songuyver was a great pub zc mm player on west.  I have a few reps still of him and I put him in the zc video I made years ago.  He was in [HC] along with TGT, Kira, Ancients and myself.  Very innovative and team oriented protoss style geared towards bw pub games, but would not hold up in todays games.

Hey Liquid

Do you have any reps of Songuyver or his build? Do you know his build time when MCing another race?You are correct, I do not think his gameplay would hold up. His main strat was to take 1 player out at mm and after that, he could not really do much. You ever play with USGAME, Computer2000, or tnii?

-thunderbird19
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: pacman on December 09, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
tnii was a amazing pub for terran kid was really good ! butnot good for innys
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Admin on December 09, 2010, 12:21:18 PM
usgame and computer2000 are hardcore noobs who think they're good.
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: pacman on December 17, 2010, 12:34:17 PM
heyy i remember computer2000 ahahaah
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: thunder on December 17, 2010, 01:15:40 PM
desertfox, dancran, chicky, xxfranchise, vunho, arie, shaker7777, ryanmiller

all my heroes as i was pub
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: GoSu[MB] on December 27, 2010, 08:39:04 PM
I'd vote:

P = Surya
T = Sherri
Z = Megix
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: law[bf] on December 27, 2010, 08:59:22 PM
p:SEMI GLOSS/SHAI DORSAI
t: DEMONYO/ SIR THANOS
Z: BUILDER
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: johnNYCage on January 09, 2011, 09:41:42 AM
surya
sae
chops
joe
killer
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: johnNYCage on January 09, 2011, 09:44:12 AM
honorable mention to: quinn, prime, pubbes, looose, frozen, uncas, infinity, bolt

everyone else isnt that good.
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: FalcoNraideN on February 23, 2011, 02:25:44 PM
Laugh at these fake ass lists.. REAL LIST COMING UP ----------------------

No Order

Surya - The most alert player ever to hit zc. He sees all and makes very good decisions quickly. excellent unit control and strategic planning.

Arie - Also a very alert player, fast response times and great recall timing. Her terran is one of the best because she really knows how to anti and conserve air.

Killer - This kid really is one of the best players ever. His build speed is uncanny. His terran in terms of consistency, is the best there ever was and will be. His serg is the best there is imho.

ExpertGamer - Its not popular to say that joe is one of the best but since i dont give a shit, im putting him here. He is one of the most innovative zc players in history. If he really tried he could match any player on this list including surya. he also has really good unit control and awareness.

Trouble - In his prime he was one of the best tosses in the league. and his terran was awesome too, im talking ww, anti, unit conservation.. his z is also famous.

Uncas - For a guy that is pretty good at low money, to come in and out of zc and run shit says that if he consistently played zc he would be the best.. one of the highest APM players there is (if u care for APM in zc..) everything about this guy is l33t.. awareness.. build speed.. response time and decision making..

Tapsilog - One of my fellow senmoners who really got to the top. His masses are INSANE and overall control is near perfection. his ran is also very trustworthy.. excellent ww and anti.. very smart player and good personality

ATETANKA - Though he hacked, this guy is still respectable. he might have low apm but that isn't that important in zc as much as low money. Superb decision making.. this guy probably only here for making the best judgements in zc. he really exploits the weakness of the enemy and will do anything to win. very much like baby_white_wolf when he was active.

looose - yan has mental issues, but that doesn't take away from his game.. this guy was very quick and good at strategy. his terran anti was the best i ever seen.. his protoss was also very good and zerg.. well everyone here is a very good zerg.

Infinity / Frozen - For the entirety of the massive noob introduction that zc received in 2010, these two are entitled to be here. Both have shown that they can go toe with anyone here (with fair teams). excellent unit control, awareness, the whole sha-bang.

well im tired of typing.. lol.. will add more later
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Woots on February 24, 2011, 10:29:01 PM
No love for the boy who got robbeD? FIGURES btw ^--- Slurp big guy
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: FalcoNraideN on February 25, 2011, 07:04:39 PM
U might have a great terran, but best ZC players of all time must be elite in all 3 races, sorry bruh
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: FalcoNraideN on February 25, 2011, 07:11:28 PM
I forgot to add

Sae - one of the most consistent players ever. very intelligent and performs extremely well under pressure. excellent recall paths and timing, middle, massing. as terran he is one of the best at not only ww'ing but control.

ALKN - like taps hes also someone that came from senmon that demands respect in being one of the best. PTZ is very solid and aggresive. one of the best PUSHA midders out there.

|)arkFire - Not a regular zct/zcl player but this guy did some crazyy shit.. temp dropping while recalling.. excellent multi-tasker, unparalleled. terran base had no organization but unit control i.e. micro was top notch.

GN[FDU] - Solid player, protoss terran and most notable for his zerg. Not only was he the nicest admin/player to grace zc, he didnt talk much shit but if he did he could sure as hell back it up.

Chopsticks[MB] - in his prime his toss was very scary.. the usual, good recalls, mid, massing, awareness. He could also play a decent terran, enough to own most with even teams.. i should also mention that his BM was the best ever lmfao

Lefty - He is a legend but his hacking reputation tarnished it but nevertheless was top notch from day 1. One of the founders of ZCT and had a pretty cool personality too. PTZ was top 5 in early ZCT so obviously i dont need much explanation

ThatsCrazy - I don't need to say anything. His terran wasn't that notable, but his win ratio is only rivaled by SuryaMB. I wasn't around when he was active, but according to replays he had the fastest build with unit to date. I used to study his reps, im talking 8:05 base with lates and 200 psi and full main d.. something no one is able to do even today

Lucivar - He was not great PTZ but he invented the protoss base we use.. so imo he HAS to be here...

Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Admin on February 25, 2011, 07:30:24 PM
tanka is the biggest baddy to ever play the game of starcraft
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: pacman on February 26, 2011, 09:25:00 AM
Ok
1 tanka fucking sucks hell a overrated
2 frank IMO is the best player ever if he was to play  z c t he prolly woulda won more then surya and we used to argue that all the time in z c t
2 people fail to put maur / Quinn on there list why idk Quinn finished top 10 ever season of z c t and so did maur and both to
3 Joe fucking sucks now I really think demonyo>Joe now T v t
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: law[bf] on February 26, 2011, 10:33:32 AM
Imo all players have almost the same lvl, expect stronger.

For ex.imo.  kyung demonyo snufff > atetanka Expert Tapsilog pTZ

SAD
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: FalcoNraideN on February 27, 2011, 07:42:58 AM
lmfao @ law.... HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on February 27, 2011, 09:22:38 AM
No order, except Frank + Sony and Tanka + Lefty:

l)ark-fire
SonyWega
Surya
Sae
Arie
ExpertGamer
Uncas
tC
Kira
GN
Lucivar
Megix
ZeNiTh
Chopsticks
Blitzkreig
Azian
Looose
Ancient
Bart99
EmperorSean
bon3rc0rp_
CookieLady
Evil_Warrior40
Blue_ScEx
Agent_ScEx


These 2 guys are at the bottom b/c hackers and proven multiple times, however both do have undeniable skill, they tarnished themselves forever with getting caught 3+ times each...
Tanka
Lefty

Worst All-time:

Zoi - lmfaooooooooooooooooooooo, i'm sure an old school person will remember this "doctor"

i'll probably post more when i think of their names
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Woots on February 27, 2011, 12:44:36 PM
wow a member of my oldschool clan made troubles list "c0rp_" yeah nigga i RAN THAT SHIT
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on February 28, 2011, 05:33:22 AM
Quote from: Woot[bf] on February 27, 2011, 12:44:36 PM
wow a member of my oldschool clan made troubles list "c0rp_" yeah nigga i RAN THAT SHIT

only 2 good people came from c0rp_ and i can't remember the other guy's account. i doubt anyone's played long enough to remember c0rp besides you
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Woots on March 01, 2011, 12:13:27 AM
let me refresh your memory you little drone. CrAzYc0rp_ / Sc0rp_ / n0t1cc0rp_ / b0n3rc0rp_ / ir0nmanc0rp_/ ju1cyc0rp_ nigga even i fogot the rest
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Ah-Lee on March 01, 2011, 04:37:06 AM
Quote from: Woot[bf] on March 01, 2011, 12:13:27 AM
let me refresh your memory you little drone.

Little Drone lols
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on March 01, 2011, 05:58:07 AM
Quote from: Woot[bf] on March 01, 2011, 12:13:27 AM
let me refresh your memory you little drone. CrAzYc0rp_ / Sc0rp_ / n0t1cc0rp_ / b0n3rc0rp_ / ir0nmanc0rp_/ ju1cyc0rp_ nigga even i fogot the rest

only bon3r was good in that group, you twat muffin. keep trying
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Woots on March 01, 2011, 10:16:31 AM
oh i forgot the infamous WooTCorP_ , yeah that motherfucker was a badass. taking mains left and right , i even heard he once took an observer's main. that was the other og you was talkin bout trouble you cum guzzlin akuma lover
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on March 02, 2011, 09:21:47 AM
Quote from: Woot[bf] on March 01, 2011, 10:16:31 AM
oh i forgot the infamous WooTCorP_ , yeah that motherfucker was a badass. taking mains left and right , i even heard he once took an observer's main. that was the other og you was talkin bout trouble you cum guzzlin akuma lover

Zoi > W00tc0rp_

easily eased you ass pirating boy toucher
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Woots on March 02, 2011, 10:36:59 PM
LIES
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Pr1meIVI on March 03, 2011, 08:21:07 AM
lol when MB was created along with ZOI, they were like the FHW of today, buncha random pubs formed to go against BF like always

Top 20 List (no order, depending on their ERA they were most active and dominant)

ThatsCrazy
Uncas
Surya
Arie
Sae
Looose
GN[FDU]
Korean[BF]
Sonywega
Fcuk.Authority
Lefty
Mast-I-Kater
Tor]v[ent
Neo[BF]
Agnostic[BF]
Tr0uble-
Killer
Megix
im.really.good
baby_white_wolf
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: law[bf] on March 03, 2011, 09:30:07 AM
Update*

I cant put old players that i never met (from 2005/2006 on).

Ghost[BF]
Korean[BF]
Expert[BF]

No order:

Surya
Arie
Looose
Killer?
Lefty
Thunder
Uncas
Sae
Puppet
E.M.P.---> this dude was rlly good.
KekoYoma

Special mention:

Taps, JC, Demonyo, Papasboi, Ewie (ya w.e he is good imo), Biteme, falco, Invincible, Doc, Guga, Imawin
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Admin on March 03, 2011, 11:26:05 AM
yup special mentions really are special
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on March 03, 2011, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: Pr1meIVI on March 03, 2011, 08:21:07 AM
lol when MB was created along with ZOI, they were like the FHW of today, buncha random pubs formed to go against BF like always

Top 20 List (no order, depending on their ERA they were most active and dominant)

ThatsCrazy
Uncas
Surya
Arie
Sae
Looose
GN[FDU]
Korean[BF]
Sonywega
Fcuk.Authority
Lefty
Mast-I-Kater
Tor]v[ent
Neo[BF]
Agnostic[BF]
Tr0uble-
Killer
Megix
im.really.good
baby_white_wolf

can't believe i forgot wolf, Ag, and Mast

fml
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: thunder on March 06, 2011, 05:46:05 PM
Quote from: Tr0uble on March 03, 2011, 11:44:59 AM
Quote from: Pr1meIVI on March 03, 2011, 08:21:07 AM
lol when MB was created along with ZOI, they were like the FHW of today, buncha random pubs formed to go against BF like always

Top 20 List (no order, depending on their ERA they were most active and dominant)

ThatsCrazy
Uncas
Surya
Arie
Sae
Looose
GN[FDU]
Korean[BF]
Sonywega
Fcuk.Authority
Lefty
Mast-I-Kater
Tor]v[ent
Neo[BF]
Agnostic[BF]
Tr0uble-
Killer
Megix
im.really.good
baby_white_wolf

can't believe i forgot wolf, Ag, and Mast

fml

u forgot thunderbutt too nub
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Admin on March 06, 2011, 05:57:44 PM
pa1n[mb] > thunderbutt
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: surya on April 10, 2011, 08:49:48 PM
i think its safe to say we wont have hardcore gaming anymore so i think this is my last list for the best players:

Best player
Demurity- Easily beats anyone in any era at their prime.
Sae - another korean but unquie he got tiger blood in him.


These players mastered the race... aka you cant get better than them.
Best Z: GN, Tr0uble, Trippy
Best T: Demurity, Sae
Best P: Demurity, Looose



I would add Expert/killer in that list but they play like shit on my team and good against me.


Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Woots on April 11, 2011, 11:45:00 PM
slurp up demurity OH YEAH I WENT THERE
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: ty1986 on May 24, 2011, 11:27:09 AM
Quote from: FalcoNraideN on February 25, 2011, 07:11:28 PM

ThatsCrazy - I don't need to say anything. His terran wasn't that notable, but his win ratio is only rivaled by SuryaMB. I wasn't around when he was active, but according to replays he had the fastest build with unit to date. I used to study his reps, im talking 8:05 base with lates and 200 psi and full main d.. something no one is able to do even today


Where do we find these replays?
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: SupG on August 09, 2011, 08:25:47 AM
Ive been playing zc since the longest time... since the BF clan was Op x[BF]x and we battled with op S0B and nobody knew about west at this point!

My favorite ZC game ever... and most fastest paced and competitive:

P- Byu1                T- Uncas          Z- Bam7
P- ate[tanka]     T- thatsCraZy     z-  Lefty
(game ended in a disconnect after 1 hour in the middle with everyone spamming units, both p's and t's had lost main at this point)

Some notable 3 racers not mentioned: Surya, Arie, Killer, Neo, Ghost, Korean, Looose, Say.1, Wolf, SWFT, Agnostic, Woots, Cholas, tor]v[ent, Megix, tr0uble, ... (soo many more i just cant remember atm)... PEACE!
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Megix on August 17, 2011, 03:04:34 AM
Players (top 5)

P) Byu.1 -  thatsCrAzY - Surya - Tanka - Lucivar
T) Uncas - Arie - thatsCrAzY - Surya - Trouble
Z) Tr0uble - Say.1 - GN - Megix - AznKid

Obs

Kyte
cho2
Tycoon64_Neo
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: thunder on August 29, 2011, 04:36:27 PM
laff tanka.. you forgot pa1n on Obs
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Mast-I-Kater on October 10, 2011, 01:32:26 AM
I am only listed in one list :(

You guys disappoint me.

My list goes as follows:

tC - Lucivar may have firstly created the toss base that is so common, but tC perfected it. Amazing all around player, did SO MUCH for ZC, great guy. Revolutionary back in the 02-06 years.

Lucivar - His pure ability to mass was unrivaled... the father of massing.

Uncas - Probably my favorite terran to vs :) I loved matches against him and arie, and he was extremely intuitive with the game and ALL of the races.

LeFty- - True, he was caught map hacking, but he really innovated recall paths. Through his MH'ing, he actually found the high percentage recall paths, which, when people copied, turned out to be highly effective.

Mast - I have to put myself down... I preferred Terran during my prime, but I also had a very high winning % with Z and P, plus, Lefty, gravvy, and I created ZCT, which, from what I have read, is one of the reasons why ZC is even still around today :) This makes me super happy.

Surya - Just had an amazing all around game. Feared his toss, and played super delicately against his z and t. Perhaps one of the best, if not the best, all around players.

Korean - I learned my terran basics from watching his replays over and over... Always amazed at the damage he could do with 12 ports and 12 facts. Micro Management God.

Neo - Neo had an awesome Z, but his other 2 races lacked behind (compared to his Zerg), but the reason why he made it on my list, is the discoveries that he made with the ZC map. It was Neo that discovered that the later a building is built, the more priority it will have in creating units after the map comes unmaxed. This simple discovery changed EVERY single build strategy.

Sae - Again, another person that changed ZC, and mainly, toss tactics. After his complete and utter domination in the first few seasons in ZCT, people started copying his early build strategy... it was an interesting setup that allowed for 9min recalls, full base, late stargates, late obs, and massing ability for late in the game.

fcuk.athority - I just have to put him here because he was fucking hilarious. I miss that guy :)

Megix - Nuke Hacks. Need I say more? :P Also, some of the best SC ZC videos on youtube. I still love the tC triple :)
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: FalcoNraideN on October 10, 2011, 03:34:12 PM
There is a big misunderstanding on the definition of Best ZC player of all time, I've played with everyone on that list and honestly some are definately NOT the best.

Most memorable does not belong here, neither does people that can do well with their limitations, or even people that DID a lot for ZC...

BEST player means someone that has a high percentage of winning. Someone you can count on that has a reputation for being very elite and delivers most if not all of the time.

These people include:

Surya, Sae, Tanka (though he hacked(s)), Demure, Tapsilog, Arie, PH, Killer, Uncas, GN[FDU], X-Plode, Tr0uble, Expert_Gamer, etc...
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Pr1meIVI on October 10, 2011, 05:39:58 PM
LOL you didnt list TC/byu1/lefty? then you have no idea what you're talking about... you're right about the those list of players, but those are all from ZCT 10 and up.
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: FalcoNraideN on October 10, 2011, 06:15:55 PM
I never really played much with TC, Byul, or lefty, so i wouldn't put them. Few games dont count imo..

People that put those players that didn't even play with them are trying to look knowledgable and cool, and many infact did list them that didn't play much with them...
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: law[bf] on October 10, 2011, 06:34:10 PM
Even ewie can rape 90% of the "best zc player all time".

- Greetings
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Mast-I-Kater on October 10, 2011, 07:43:05 PM
Quote from: FalcoNraideN on October 10, 2011, 06:15:55 PM
People that put those players that didn't even play with them are trying to look knowledgable and cool, and many infact did list them that didn't play much with them...

If you are eluding to me and/or pr1me, I hope you know that we were both around about 4-6 years before you even came onto the ZC scene....

Anyways, I disagree on what constitutes the "Best ZC Player(s) of ALL-TIME". I know that Surya and GN have awesome games, I played a LOT of games with them. They have a very high win %... but that, alone, to me, doesn't make someone great. There have been so many ZCers over the past 14 years that have had extremely high win %s, so to base the greatest player of all time just strictly off of a win/loss ratio is not only dumb, but inaccurate. That is why, to me, the greatest ZCers of all time not only have to have very high win %s, but they also revolutionized the way the game was played in one way or another.

Have you even heard of "end." "fcuk.authority" "alpha-4" "da_s1ck_n355" "r2_r2" "h1pp13_p34c3" "911_the_judge" "killa_kill" (lol @ killa_kill) "bam7" ? Probably not... all were highly regarded, at one time or another, (with the exception of 911 and killa) amazing ZC players, and had great win %'s... especially fcuk. Just because you haven't heard of them, or never played with them, doesn't mean that they were bad players ;)
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on October 10, 2011, 08:45:20 PM
Sad that people think h1pp13 sucks, he's not as good now as he used to be, but back in the day, the only people above his skill level were tC, Tor]v[ent and Lefty (haxor!). Oh ya and he fucked us all over on the last sight, so that's another reason no one likes him.

i<3oldschooldays
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: soserial on October 10, 2011, 11:09:23 PM
ahhhh i remember op s0b, they were like rivals of BF @ East. I also remember the 911 clan, I remember my brother playing them in a wanagethy tournament... they were pretty good.

I don't get why not many BF members get notion in here... I remember players like korean, god, romper, chronohaze, ghost, aznkid being the best @ East, followed by other good BF members like fakk2, teflon, gung-ho, canadian, etc.

(off-topic) And what the fuck happened to bnnguyenrw? I remember that guy having an amazing T.

Currently, I think the best ZC player of all time should be someone from the recent era of ZC players because of how much the game evolved. Someone like demure or surya, I wouldn't mind stating them as the best player of all time. If you were to put them in any era of ZC, they would simply dominate because of how polished and optimized their strats have become, in ALL THREE RACES (not so sure of Surya's z).

NO BIAS IS INVOLVED.

Hypothetically speaking, if the aforementioned players like tc, lucivar, byu1, etc. were to play ACTIVELY in this era, they would probably have a much higher potential to be the best than someone like demurity.
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Megix on October 11, 2011, 12:15:20 AM
I agree with Tyler (Mast) that winning the most games doesn't put you into the catagorie of the best ZCer of all time, imo it comes down to the complete player who can do anything and everything required no matter the race selected and can sum up the situation of the game at hand and adapt accordingly to win the game.  A person with great intution of the game aswell as great building/microing skills is the complete player and not many people i've met during my long years on here have both those abilities. thatsCrAzY to me is the greatest of all time (won alot of seasons and countless games against the odds) and is only rivaled by Uncas and Surya at times as they both did the same but not quite to the degree thatsCrAzY did.

The game style has changed slightly but not that much and to me the current quality of gaming is far less then compared to when ZCT was active (in prime) and imo only a few people atm would compete decently in a game with the likes of thatsCrAzY, Uncas, Surya, Byu1 etc. etc.
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: ATETANKA on October 11, 2011, 12:23:39 AM
TYLER YOU FUCKING FILTHY HYPOCRYTE YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO SHOWED ME MY FIRST MAPHACK
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: CoR[BF] on October 11, 2011, 08:20:17 AM
ROFL Cosign'ed


Quote from: ATETANKA on October 11, 2011, 12:23:39 AM
TYLER YOU FUCKING FILTHY HYPOCRYTE YOU ARE THE PERSON WHO SHOWED ME MY FIRST MAPHACK
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: DancraN on September 04, 2012, 09:00:33 PM
I'm the best. Enough said.
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on September 04, 2012, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: DancraN on September 04, 2012, 09:00:33 PM
I'm the best. Enough said.

2 white
SRY BRAH
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Pr1meIVI on September 05, 2012, 06:53:40 AM
maybe best table soccer player, wrong forum macmilla
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on September 05, 2012, 10:10:58 AM
Quote from: DancraN on September 04, 2012, 09:00:33 PM
I'm the best. Enough said.

(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/Hikkon/cow.jpg)
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: CoR[BF] on September 17, 2012, 06:13:56 PM
Hi Dancran!
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: arie on September 25, 2012, 09:00:02 AM
From ZCT3 onwards:

Best P: thatsCrAzY, Surya, Byu1, Sae, looose
Best T: Uncas, looose, killer, tor]v[ent, Surya
Best Z: thatsCrAzY, Megix, Tr0uble, GN, Aznkid, Cholas, Xenozerg (most underrated Z EVER)

+
Pr1me
Frozen
Agnostic
ALKN
fcuk.authority
h1pp13
ExpertGamer
baby_white_wolf
keko_yoma
lucivar
lefty

People who may not be the best, but will be remembered:
chops
dancran
infinity
trippy
kyung
myst
woots
SWFT
loh]logic
brooklyn-park, lilbiscuit, get-blazed
3oo[MB] <3


Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: killer on September 25, 2012, 12:37:45 PM
could make better lists on toilet..

best p- say thunder arie surya looose
best t- arie looose thunder asil prime
best z- looose trouble xenozerg gn megix

favorite ally

say <3

person who just somehow will not get better despite how many years/games he plays.. but somehow plays rly well once in a while..

one and only johnnycage


person who definitely was not even close to the best and won't be remembered..

pacman-....... bitchass


most funny.. but horrible at thinking girls are hot

quinn


most fun to argue with

quinn


biggest bitch on bnet

A R I E
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: law[bf] on September 26, 2012, 08:34:16 AM
My new list ^^

P: thunder, surya, lefty, uncas, pr1me, sae (special mention: maxine, alkn, arie, infinity, trippy, joe)
T: Thunder, surya, killer, tanka, woots, infinity, asil, arie, (special mention: looose, uncas, trippy, pr1me, sae and demonyo)
Z: Trippy, looose, gn, trouble, (special mention: bizzare, tech, sae, surya, thunder and etc)

Id like to watch

P Thunder                       Surya
T Infinity             VS         Arie     
Z Trippy                           Looose


I think thunder's team wins.

Greetings

Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: looose on September 28, 2012, 07:57:56 AM
in 9 years of zc....best races i?ve seen

Toss: Surya/Sae/thunder
Ran: Uncas/Arie/maybe lisa, but she only joined zc when most of good players left...
Zerg: Aznkid0430, Trippy, maybe killer for good swarm, plague and mainly parasite.

Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: johnNYCage on September 28, 2012, 10:10:14 AM
best P right now:

pr1me kyucumbelles, maxine

best t right now:

aSiL, aSiL, aSiL, aSiL, pr1me and aSiL

best z right now:

kyucumbelles, pr1me

talk show?

bonus:
boring= arie=looose



Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: johnNYCage on September 28, 2012, 10:12:18 AM
kyucumbelles.  ffs, slow down. 
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Admin on September 29, 2012, 12:29:35 AM
wrong thread idiot
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: johnNYCage on September 29, 2012, 07:05:12 AM
sorry gaystery.
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: korean]to[ on September 29, 2012, 10:52:43 AM
List since i started playing:
All time P:
Surya
Say
Arie
Thunder
looose

All time T:
Uncas
Killer
Arie
Thunder

All time Z:
Gn
Loose
Trouble
Trippy
Prime

Best overall:
Surya
sae
arie
killer
looose
thunder
prime
alkn
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: amarmgandhi on January 03, 2013, 11:01:19 AM
This is just my opinion based on what I remember when I used to play. I played for a very long time almost 5 - 6 years. These are the players that I wish I had on my team when the start count down reached 0 and the blank screen came one. 

Chiyin[MB]
Ghost[BF]
Woot_c0rp
Agent_scex
Bell_scex
Tanka
Thatzcrazy
Arie
Surya
Torment
Bart99
Uncas
Korean[BF]
Killer
Torment
BlackPresident
Losealot69
Alpha-4
Pr1me
Lucivar
Mast
Megix
T
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: StronGer on January 03, 2013, 11:23:28 AM
losealot69 ? yeah he pro
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on January 03, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: StronGer on January 03, 2013, 11:23:28 AM
losealot69 ? yeah he pro

losealot69 was actually good when zc first came out. he's been playing since shared bases zc. he was ahead of the game. but when Wana started and then zct followed....nigga was left in the dust. he still plays like it's nr20 on shared base map, that's why he's bad ;D
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Pr1meIVI on January 03, 2013, 11:49:41 AM
lol he was good, but he just never changed, same style since 2002
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: StronGer on January 03, 2013, 12:18:33 PM
i will tell him to join zcl
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tr0uble on January 03, 2013, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: StronGer on January 03, 2013, 12:18:33 PM
i will tell him to join zcl

good, maybe you can pick up some tips from him
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: StronGer on January 03, 2013, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: Tr0uble on January 03, 2013, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: StronGer on January 03, 2013, 12:18:33 PM
i will tell him to join zcl

good, maybe you can pick up some tips from him
LOLLL, i will pick up some tips from him for you
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: pacman on January 04, 2013, 08:46:29 AM
Say.1
Tr0uble
Arie ♥♡♥♡♥♡♥
Killer saddly but true
Looose
Thunder [fdu]
Mystery
Alkn
Prime
Wolf
Gn almost forgot about you bro
That's not in order just the best people who can change a game in really make a impact on the game. Oh

Special Olympics mentions
Unbslydx7
Stronger
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: StronGer on January 04, 2013, 10:19:58 AM
stronger retired
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Tech[BF] on January 04, 2013, 11:50:34 AM
Thunder[FDU]
Say.1
Surya
Arie
Pr1meivi
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: pacman on January 04, 2013, 01:53:21 PM
I would add aznkid kurupt dancran but they only played 2 races but was good at that
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: johnNYCage on January 05, 2013, 07:59:02 AM
what abt ATETANKA and RYUIII?
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: pacman on January 05, 2013, 03:44:48 PM
Tanka is trash and a hacker and ryu was ok tim my nigga but still wasn't no where near. Top 20
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: johnNYCage on January 05, 2013, 04:18:40 PM
this is not fair.  i tried to pause to tell them my keyboard dont work and they went and the admin didnt even listen.  wow.  wish gaystery was there. 
Title: Re: Best ZC player(s) of ALL-TIME
Post by: Admin on January 05, 2013, 11:10:08 PM
why are you posting in here?
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