Due to overall toxic behavior and refusing to play normally when he doesnt like teams, Demurity is banned for the remainder of Season 24. This decision is final and no appeals will be considered.
LOL good call
man this is another bullshit i dont know what he said in ac or anyother game but he played good... give a warning at least??
well.....That's fucked...This really surprises me because how toxic Jc is Yet he's not banned nor any warnings. Sounds like youre holding Demu to a higher standard then most?
dont like it? make your own league
loooooool
RIP
Quote from: Admin on July 08, 2017, 04:06:13 PM
Due to overall toxic behavior and refusing to play normally when he doesnt like teams, Demurity is banned for the remainder of Season 24. This decision is final and no appeals will be considered.
Dear Myst,
Didn't you say... if you don't like the player cuz he Sabo, just don't play with him? What rule are you applying?
Greetings
mystery following Mao zedong orders.
multiple complaints from others. on top of that wasting my time when im trying to take a little break from doing scoring for 3 hours only to have a teammate go 4 nukes, sit in his own base, and fly units around cuz he didnt like teams, didnt think we could win, and didnt want to dodge. this league does not need his toxicity. demurity aka tyler1 can return next season
LMFAOOOO GOT EM HAHHA
Speaking of Killer[BB], i just saw a GG rep of him crying extra hard and bitching at his team. Ill upload rep in a few. Lmfao. Does anyone have more reps of Killer crying on chat? Its entertaining.
If you can't beat the best, ban the best
Pretty sure demonyo has many reps of killer crying as a baby. Yes demonyo is scooter's daddy. Probably why demonyo walked out of killers life. That and he really didn't want a daughter
Quote from: Infinity[FDU] on July 09, 2017, 11:26:45 AM
Pretty sure demonyo has many reps of killer crying as a baby. Yes demonyo is scooter's daddy. Probably why demonyo walked out of killers life. That and he really didn't want a daughter
Lol
thunder quit being so arrogant when you arent even the best. plus ive beaten you more than youve beaten me. im more scared of prime and surya than you. now go sit in the corner and think about your behavior
And i remember you tried to get more games to qualify the last day of last season. First game you played you tried brute forcing your way mid into my tanks. How did that work? Ez rq with dreams and hopes smashed like your mass
I'm just here to play the game, not get involved in shenanigans
I don't think its mature or respectful to be bashing anyone personally over one game
It's just the way that ZC is set up.
For those that dont know, the game was Surya P, PH T, and Looose Z -VS- Silly.Korean P Demurity T and Mystery Z
Silly.Korean is a good rising star in ZC -- for Protoss. He definitely has potential to be elite.
However VS SurYa P (best P all time, especially with good team) is HIGHLY difficult.
Demurity might have "fucked around" in the game because he knew he couldn't win the game. And Myst definitely didnt like that. Well, as we all should know -- There are upsets where a noober team beats a better one.
I'm not picking sides. On one hand, Mystery one handed provides us with the entirety of ZCLeague. Something never seen before as with ZCT there were multiple admins and judges.
Mystery did and does a tremendous amount for us to be able to game and i have the UTMOST respect for him. Even though he kind of sucks LOL.
Demurity is the best player at the moment. He does have some aggressive leadership role behavior in game but i don't think we can be at fault over that. He IS just trying to win the season as the best player SHOULD... (sort of speak)
It comes down to the fundamentals of elite gameplay VS good commucation. For example, Woots and PH are elite and they don't yell at teammates - Sometimes they work better with team because they don't put their team in a flustered state. Resulting in higher Win/loss ratio.
Whether Demurity's style is favorable for him is already set in motion by the elementals of ZC. It's tougher for him to win games just because he gets his team flustered. As opposed to players like Surya, PH, Woots, Uncas, (for examples) that are elite but don't really break down their teammates morale. And thus they have a higher chance of winning games.
In closure, sometimes you have to let the wind blow things in their respective directions. Aggressive management can backfire big time as people start to then challenge your every move.
The best teammates in any team scenario (sports, games, work, etc.) have good communication skills.
Nobody should be offended by shotcalls. What do you mean by "aggressive leadership"? Being able to get your teammates to play better is the goal of team games
i dont get offended by people shotcalling. i think its good. but going 4 nukes sitting in base flying around wraiths cuz "we cant win this game" "my tryhard days are over" isnt aggressive leadership. its wasting my time when im trying to have fun while taking a break from doing scoring for you retards. dont think we can win? take the dodge and dont waste my time
Quote from: thunder on July 09, 2017, 09:06:06 AM
If you can't beat the best, ban the best
Demurity the type of dude to tell his mom and pop that he lost his virginity to a girl that look like J Lo but she actually look like Rosie O`Donnel
What the hell is all of this? What, is there no such thing as a monetary ban, like for a few days? I understand we are basically down to one admin, but mystery, do you think you should be making an emotional based ban over what I read to be over one game?
Take my comment with a grain of salt, I'm not online as much now and I do agree Demurity can be toxic. All that pro-ness can get to your head and make you an asshole. I also admire surya's replies, when he is on only like a couple times a month.'
I think Mystery, you should take the time (if you have it) this month to try and find yourself a couple level headed new admins to help you out and you can balance this whole situation out. I am also for a temporary sort of ban for players that want to join games to just bm as players or as obs.
Quote from: Admin on July 09, 2017, 04:37:21 PM
i dont get offended by people shotcalling. i think its good. but going 4 nukes sitting in base flying around wraiths cuz "we cant win this game" "my tryhard days are over" isnt aggressive leadership. its wasting my time when im trying to have fun while taking a break from doing scoring for you retards. dont think we can win? take the dodge and dont waste my time
I went 2 nukes, 2 late silos. I can show you at least 2 reps where nuking gave us a tremendous advantage and/or finished the game.
"My tryhard days are over"- tell me exactly how saying this is worthy of a season ban? You were being an worse teammate by ignoring my questions at the start of the game. Is that what sportsmanship means to you? No offense to raider, but me at less than 100% is similar to him. Why aren't you just banning everyone who isn't as good as the subjective standards you set?
All of your retroactive justifications are awful and you should feel awful for trying to do make them. How is calling us all fucking retards and wasting your time not toxic? PH was telling me my ego is huge, in which I believe, my ego is incomparable to the expansiveness of yours.
You expect me to bend over and take all of the bullshit you spew while you aren't able to take any retaliation for defending myself. You're overstepping your bounds and into mine and that is intolerable. How many times over the years in this community have you called people retards? Countless.
You just can't/won't stop berating, even though I explicitly said I want to squash this and not get involved. Grow up you piece of shit. Even though I know you won't because you won't listen to anyone.
i call you guys retards cuz you idiots made prime quit and now i have to use whatever free time i have out of my busy schedule to do scoring when he was gonna do it after he quit playing
next
Nice; dodging the questions and deflecting blame back to us. Can you take accountability or responsibility for what you say?
And no, don't make it sound like you just started calling us retards- you have been for years. The irony of an admin being toxic, banning others for being "toxic".
You get no remorse for doing the responsibilities of an admin; that is expected. I gave you the season 22 scoring which I did on my own time as well, and I'm not even an admin.
i never received it
Quote from: Admin on July 09, 2017, 07:52:32 PM
i call you guys retards cuz you idiots made prime quit and now i have to use whatever free time i have out of my busy schedule to do scoring when he was gonna do it after he quit playing
next
Surya, Demurity, tech, me and others are available to do the score. Don't worry, i won't cry about time spended, or leaving cuz some1 says that my mom is fcking corrupted :'(
In the past player that used to Sabo: 1) gets a dodge and eventually a ban, 2) players refused to play with the player.
Many players like to Sabo, ewie, jc, brat, Joe even Mason did yesterday...
I appreciate ur collaboration msyt, but zcl is bigger than u.
i would not trust you guys to do scoring
you should choose a co-admin that you can trust for the scoring and to judge the games, very simple and I think it could help a lot.
I just want everyone to understand the difference between being a leader and being an asshole. Andy is not a leader. Anyone who ever took leadership role anytime in their life knows that being a leader isn't telling people what to do ("calling the shots") or selectively bming them. I was captain of my soccer team; I worked for my college's Career Center acting as a mentor to upcoming students; I'm president of Law society. From my experiences, being a bitch isn't a leader. I understand I tend to have no filter sometimes playing zc, but it's because zc is an outlet for me where I can let my guard down. Infinity and ph are right: Andy will selectively bm teammates, exaggerate what is going on, and bitch at them. Examples are that he thinks going mid alone is a great idea (gets eaten up by tanks or guards) and then bms when others do it. Or doesn't make anti but bitches about para. Makes no main d, but bitches when others don't. There is a fine line in taking a leadership role and bitching. Take woots, arie, sae as examples vs you. All great leaders who can command respect and a team. You are delusional if you think what you're doing is being a leader.
I agree with having more admins, but andy cannot be one. His whole integrity is in question; he is inconsistent in his opinions. Not qualities of an admin or a judge. And, no offense law, but you are one of the shadiest guys on zc. You have very questionable opinions, you bend rules, and you try to distort reality by some of your "opinions" and antics. You have a history of that. No way can anyone who has been playing zc long enough trust you with scoring.
Tech, I trust. I believe in his integrity, but not andy or law. And let's get one thing clear: andy bitching was one of the main reasons why prime quit. And why was he bitching? One reason was because he went mid with his mass vs tanks and guards, which he would have bmed endlessly if anyone else did that, and lost a game that ensured he would not win season 23. His "greatness" was exaggerated when everyone quit for years while he kept on playing. He has gotten better while everyone was rusty as shit. Now, with people unrusted, he's not untouchable anymore. Don't take this as bm; I consider andy easily top three right now and top three in terran all time, but lets not exaggerate his skills. Andy, take this time to contemplate your actions and lower your ego. Maybe if this was an "isolated" incident, everyone would rush to defend you. You think you're smart, so use your brain to reevaluate yourself.
But I do think this ban shouldn't be a full season. Andy is a dick, but being a dick isn't a crime. I think a week ban is enough
Surya was right when he said people will find a reason to hate you when people perceive you to be one of the best.
Conflict is inevitable and at will always exist when there is polarity in perceptions; this applies to everything in life.
It's like the whole Messi vs Ronaldo argument, but nobody has the lack of integrity to call them assholes.
Not everyone thinks you're the best. Get over yourself
Quote from: korean]to[ on July 10, 2017, 01:25:24 PM
But I do think this ban shouldn't be a full season. Andy is a dick, but being a dick isn't a crime. I think a week ban is enough
Would've considered it but this guy shows no remorse
Quote from: Admin on July 10, 2017, 02:37:29 PM
Quote from: korean]to[ on July 10, 2017, 01:25:24 PM
But I do think this ban shouldn't be a full season. Andy is a dick, but being a dick isn't a crime. I think a week ban is enough
Would've considered it but this guy shows no remorse
Give him some time. He isn't the brightest guy, and he has an ego that prevents him from showing remorse. I'm sure after a few more bans from melee and obs will make him show remorse. Unban him then
Quote from: Admin on July 10, 2017, 02:32:47 PM
Not everyone thinks you're the best. Get over yourself
I never said everyone thinks I'm the best. I said people think I'm the best. There is a vast difference.
"Everyone" just needs 1 counterexample to disprove, in which, by citing you does so.
Look at the "Top 5 P/T/Z" and "Top 5 of all time" threads. The fact that a single person (referring to myself) consistently makes the several lists aforementioned just makes this an indisputable point. In a sample of, lets say, 50 people, for one person to take above even 10% of the "votes" is significant.
You reserve the right to have your own, singular opinion, but you can't speak for the other 49.
Ill say what everyone is probably thinking.
This ban is unjust.
Like I said earlier, Myst, you gotta let things go. Yes Andy can be a dick. But hes also a really nice guy sometimes too.
He sabotaged you, i get it. Like Law said, people sabotage all the time. The PUNISHMENT for that is community based.
People already love and hate getting Andy on their team. On one hand hes good af. On the other hand you know hes gona bitch at you in game all game long for mistakes.
But let Time teach him a lesson as he matures and plays better with his team. OR lets say he never does and keeps doing what hes doing. SO WHAT? Its HIS life HIS time on StarCraft ZC ....
Replace him with any noob and people would ban that person in melee. People dont ban Demurity because of how good he is. Which leads him to believe his behavior is acceptable.
Basically common practice in team based games or sports. No justification for banning him though. His gameplay is excellent and he doesnt hack.
I know you Myst, you will not step back. You will keep this ban up before swallowing YOUR pride. In essense you are similar to Andy in many ways. So its pointless to argue with you.
Andy: Be yourself. If you change after your ban then great. If not, meh. Who cares? Its your mind, your life, your play style. We cant control you and we shouldnt try to reshape you either.
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN CLOSED.
Quote from: korean]to[ on July 10, 2017, 03:30:16 PM
Quote from: Admin on July 10, 2017, 02:37:29 PM
Quote from: korean]to[ on July 10, 2017, 01:25:24 PM
But I do think this ban shouldn't be a full season. Andy is a dick, but being a dick isn't a crime. I think a week ban is enough
Would've considered it but this guy shows no remorse
Give him some time. He isn't the brightest guy, and he has an ego that prevents him from showing remorse. I'm sure after a few more bans from melee and obs will make him show remorse. Unban him then
This is my first response to you, and last, since the game you flew off the rails on me. I haven't said a single thing towards you, yet, you come at me with this abuse for several days in game and in this thread. In game, I have explicitly said I just want to play. Yet, you go out of your way to ban me for the sake of your megalomania. You have no purpose to achieve by writing all of this besides to just satiate your frustration. If you read through the posts you've made here, you can see who is truly full of folie de grandeur. Even though I believe you are just victim to the hive-mind effect from Mystery, you won't be mature enough to squash this and move on. Consider this my last response to you, and you are forgotten in my eyes.
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Quote from: FalcoNraideN on July 10, 2017, 04:57:11 PM
Ill say what everyone is probably thinking.
This ban is unjust.
Like I said earlier, Myst, you gotta let things go. Yes Andy can be a dick. But hes also a really nice guy sometimes too.
He sabotaged you, i get it. Like Law said, people sabotage all the time. The PUNISHMENT for that is community based.
People already love and hate getting Andy on their team. On one hand hes good af. On the other hand you know hes gona bitch at you in game all game long for mistakes.
But let Time teach him a lesson as he matures and plays better with his team. OR lets say he never does and keeps doing what hes doing. SO WHAT? Its HIS life HIS time on StarCraft ZC ....
Replace him with any noob and people would ban that person in melee. People dont ban Demurity because of how good he is. Which leads him to believe his behavior is acceptable.
Basically common practice in team based games or sports. No justification for banning him though. His gameplay is excellent and he doesnt hack.
I know you Myst, you will not step back. You will keep this ban up before swallowing YOUR pride. In essense you are similar to Andy in many ways. So its pointless to argue with you.
Andy: Be yourself. If you change after your ban then great. If not, meh. Who cares? Its your mind, your life, your play style. We cant control you and we shouldnt try to reshape you either.
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN CLOSED.
For the first time I agree with Falcon, well written Falcon you've grown up I'm proud of you bruh, just like how I'm proud of Joe today. Anyways Demurity shouldn't be banned and people sabotage all the time. It's a game have fun lose or win. GG
If there was a voting poll right now on who is the best player, Demurity will get the most votes 2nd not close. You guys banning andy because he sabotage?dick as an ally?. I agree with both posts by falcon note note to andy on the first post.